DJT indicted on four counts related to January 6

They would argue that. If he was tried and exonerated by the Senate how can he be charged and tried again.

However it's apples and oranges. The Senate is not judicial system and can not ( I believe) mandate jail time. I would that argument wouldn't hold.

Yes. It is clear that Trump's lawyers are arguing something. But that something is not double jeopardy. Double jeopardy means you are charged for the same thing twice. Trump's lawyers are arguing the the necessity of being charged twice. Once by the lawmakers through impeachment and then by the criminal courts.

The bottom line is that Trump has one legal strategy. Delay, delay, delay. It matters not how poor his legal arguments are. Nor if he directly contradicts his own legal arguments in other cases.

Winner.

Trump's lawyers know that there is no real argument to be had, that a President is not immune from any prosecution, and that an impeachment and subsequent removal from office is not requisite for a prosecution.

They are keeping score on a different metric. This isn't about winning this case.

If this, or any other court action, creates delays that push the trials beyond the election, they are counting themselves as winners.

Trump wants to be President again because of his supreme narcissism - and in particular his wounded psyche from losing the last election. It is little different from Hitler's ambitions to seek power in the 20's, that sprang out of his wounded narcissism when Germany lost the first World War.

Trump's followers are also angry wounded narcissists, who project onto their cult leader, as Germans did to Hitler in the early 30's. Karl Jung said Germans in the 20's and 30's showed high levels of angry narcissism; the parallels with Trump's base are uncannily similar. They, too, look for scapegoats to blame for their ills. With Hitler it was the Jews and socialists. Under Trump the labels may have changed but the targets are similar - all are to blame - as he also touts his version of racial purity - meaning white male supremacy. The consequences will be dire. Erich Fromm said German society had become collectively psychotic under the Nazis. That is where America is headed under Trump. The followers come to share the madness of their leader. As German democrats failed to recognise in the 30's so we see many democratic Americans (non-Republicans) fail to do today, which is recognise the terrible danger their nation is in, that under Trump their country is heading towards a precipice, as history seeks to repeat itself in a modern guise.

:snicker

Godwin's Law at its finest. LOL

Trump's lawyers from the Stormy Hush case have quit. They tossed in the towel. Only so much a man can take.

Tough on Trump losing all his lawyers two months before a criminal trial. I wonder if the judge will give Trump an extension. Probably not.

newsweek.com

Donald Trump loses three lawyers in one day

A lawyer and his two partners will no longer represent the former president in some of the cases against him.

Link:www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-loses-th...

I'm not part of a m@g@ agenda

Taco Joe is outtathere. Judge had to approve that. Judge would not have let him quit if it would have resulted in any delay. Joe needs time off to reduce stress, hoping to avoid his temple vein sploding.

Trump would be crazy to hire Alina Hubba for a criminal case (or any case, really), but it would be hilarious to see Hubba cross-examine Stormy Daniels.

You might be onto something there. I think a pay per view with proceeds going to Rudy’s defamation victims would be nice.

That's what an historically ignorant person would say. Fromm would recognise you as part of the collective psychosis.

Trump is a multi-billionaire. He doesn't need the money. He donated his $400,000 salary each year to charity. What have you ever donated?

An interesting insight into Trump and his followers, published in the Guardian. The writer who was the subject of the piece was referring to Nazism and Communism.

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Eric Hoffer was an itinerant longshoreman whose book The True Believer, on the mentality of Naziism and Communism, published in 1951, drew praise from President Dwight Eisenhower in one of his first press conferences. Hoffer described how individuals erased their volition and critical thinking by submerging themselves into movements led by demagogues.

“The fanatic,” Hoffer wrote, “is perpetually incomplete and insecure. He cannot generate self-assurance out of his individual resources – out of his rejected self – but finds it only by clinging passionately to whatever support he happens to embrace.” The demagogue appeals to restoring the good old days. “A glorification of the past can serve as a means to belittle the present.” Through propaganda, “people can be made to believe only in what they already ‘know’”. Enemies must be identified as the source of decay. “Finally, it seems, the ideal devil is a foreigner. To qualify as a devil, a domestic enemy must be given a foreign ancestry.” But, Hoffer wrote, it would be a mistake to give too much credence to the ideas of demagogues. “The quality of ideas seems to play a minor role in mass movement leadership. What counts is the arrogant gesture, the complete disregard of the opinion of others, the singlehanded defiance of the world.”

Trump is so loaded that he even has chandeliers in his bathroom.

Image:www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.ph...

Well done. That got a big chuckle out of me.

FBI is investigating Roger Stone for plot to murder Jerry Nadler and Eric Swalwell. Stone, the guy who was about to get 9 years for witness tampering until Pres Trump interfered in the justice system. (I had created separate thread but it was quickly deleted).

Trump hating pollster admits:

Luntz is asked, "If you had to bet $150,000 on who's gonna win in November, who would you bet on?"
Clearly uncomfortable with what he was about to say, Luntz squirmed as he admitted that he would bet the large sum of money on Trump to defeat President Joe Biden in a re-match.
"I never dreamed that I would say this, but I would bet on Trump," Luntz admitted.

theblaze.com

Frank Luntz visibly squirms as he is forced to admit Trump is the favorite to win 2024 election: 'The guy's a survivor' | Blaze Media

https://www.facebook.com/140738092630206

Pollster Frank Luntz declared last year that Donald Trump "could never win" the 2024 presidential election. Now, Luntz says he would bet six figures that Trump does win.Speaking on a New York Times podcast, Luntz said last Ma...

Link:www.theblaze.com/news/frank-luntz-trum...

Mean tweets 2024!

I realize that story about the Trump hating pollster is very important to you, but if there was ever a time for a "wrong thread" response, your post would provide it. Somewhat incredibly, this thread has largely been confined to actual discussion of several of Trump's criminal cases and the legal issues involved. Your post about a Trump hating pollster saying Trump is ahead in polls doesn't fit in at all and, to be honest, you look pretty lame posting it here.

Wrong thread.

You know there a catch to that if it did occur. Why did he have to steal from his charity?