Official Russia vs Ukraine War Thread

Vigilantes are doing this to looters. Most of these incidents occurred over a month ago. Many regular Ukraine police officers have gone off to join the armed forces and fight the Russians. A mix of citizen vigilantes and soldiers have taken up public humiliation for people caught looting because there really isn't much of a functioning police force and judiciary in areas that are under attack. These incidents have been in the news and even Ukraine media have reported on it.

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They could have just poisoned them with plutonium like the Russians do.

But according to you I would have to prove I was wrong.

You said there was a quote in the transcript saying the US decided who was to lead Ukraine, I called you a liar and said it wasn't there.

Prove you aren't a liar and I'm prove you are a racist.

Well at the end of the day Russia will achieve exactly what it wanted to begin with: Crimea and Donbas as part of Russia and Ukraine NATO-free with all AZOV fighters either dead, in prison or on the run, if they're lucky to get out of East-Ukraine in time.

That despite of being "pathetic", "weak", "losing all the time", "having its tanks, ships and generals obliterated". Funny how media propaganda works...

But USA won in Vietnam and Afghanistan, right?

hey why did they send a full force attack against kiev if all they wanted was donbas and crimea?

That is a strange final sentence. I don't think that the mainstream opinion in the US is that we won the Vietnam war. And while the military invasion of Afghanistan was an initial success, I think the overall venture is considered an expensive failure. It seems to me that you are projecting a fake position just so you can ridicule it.

Your first paragraph makes several assumptions about Russia's goals that are, at the least, questionable. If those were their only goals they utilized a bizarre strategy to lose lots of men, equipment and international standing to achieve them. And it still isn't clear that Ukraine ultimately will be NATO-free.

Who told you they sent a "full force attack"? Full force for Russia would be to use its 6.000 nuclear warheads. And even without nuclear power, they could wipe Ukraine off the face of the earth in a day and there would be nothing anyone could do to stop them either. But since Russia doesn't even consider this a war, just a mere "special military operation", the goals are to oust AZOV nazis out of Russian-speaking regions and get Ukraine to sign a non-NATO agreement. These goals are looking really good right now, as they just took almost a thousand AZOV fighters as prisoners and cleared "that" steel plant in Mariupol.

The end is near, my friends.

Just pointing the hypocricy out. You have to admit, the amount of ridicule amongst Americans about the US performance in Vietnam and also in Afghanistan is nothing compared about what they say about "pathetic" Russian military in East-Ukraine.

The US might have not lost as much, but it also didn't achieve anything really. 20 years in Afghanistan only to leave billions worth of equipment to Taliban and things are worse there than ever before.

Russia surely had significant losses, but is about to gain land and get a buffer zone from NATO. The true loser here is gonna be Zelensky and West-Ukraine.

Oh, btw, Finnland and Sweden are NOT gonna become members of NATO, since Erdogan vetoed.

I recall stated goals of removing the current political leadership of Ukraine, demilitarizing and neutralizing Ukraine, and re-educating Ukrainians. When assessing successes and failures, you seem to earned an "incomplete".

I would agree that having it all end soon would be nice.

If that is your attempt to point out hypocrisy you haven't done your research. The criticism of our Vietnam venture here in the states has been deep and extended. Afghanistan failures are of a different nature than the Russian mistakes attracting ridicule here. Based on my memory (because I haven't wasted my time making posts ridiculing specific military failures as I know that none of us have the complete set of facts (other than Bad Wigins who said the war would be over in five days but apparently hasn't started the count yet)) part of the ridicule is for poor tactics in engagements and poor design and logistics. Those weren't the US' primary problems in Afghanistan; although they had significant other ones, some of which Russia also would have if they tried to occupy Western Ukraine.

A retired Russian general being more honest on Russian TV than Carmine and Lolly's on LR...

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"The desire to defend their motherland very much exists. Ultimate victory on the battlefield is determined by the high morale of troops who are spilling blood for the ideas they are ready to fight for.
"The biggest problem with [Russia's] military and political situation," he continued, "is that we are in total political isolation and the whole world is against us, even if we don't want to admit it. We need to resolve this situation.
"The situation cannot be considered normal when against us, there is a coalition of 42 countries and when our resources, military-political and military-technical, are limited."

Also, the US achieved its military goals of ousting the Taliban in Afghanistan quite quickly, without even using regular troops. The fact that 20 YEARS LATER the Afghan army could not prevent the return of the Taliban to power, does in hindsight tarnish the initial military success, but it doesn't negate that it happened.

Demilitarizing is almost achieved, all Ukrainian military infrastructure is destroyed and AZOV is about to be done. Denazifying will be taken care of with imprisonment of captured AZOV fighters and a lot of nazi-related details will come to daylight once these fighters face criminal court. Ukraine will lose face in the next years, when the West will find out what "cool" things AZOV has been doing for years in East-Ukraine.

Yes, it would be great for it to be over as soon as possible. In no way do I see Ukraine winning here...

I don't predict winners or losers with respect to fighting. Russia already is a loser in other respects.

Again, you are redefining goals in a manner favorable to Russia. At the onset Russia claimed that Nazism pervaded Ukraine's entire political structure and thus Russia needed to dismantle the government, re-educate the populace and install non-Nazis. It wasn't just about AZOV. And if the fighting ends soon, do you really think NATO will leave Ukraine defenseless? The will provide equipment and training, which seem to counter the claim that Russia will have demilitarized Ukraine.

Do you really think Russia loses over 30,000 troops, 1200 tanks, 12 generals, 1500 planes/equipment, 7 ships. world wide hatred, having their army a laughing stock on the world stage over Ukraine becoming NATO and Nazi's.......really?

So ya get in your tanks and trucks and head on down the road, how damn stupid is that? Russia couldn't figue out that just won't work as they got totally annilated. How damn dumb is this army?

Captured Russian soldiers talking about fellow wounded soldiers being shot and killed by ths in charge rather than spend time on them......wow! What is wrong with these people?

The plan was to take Ukraine, after that failed it's now can they win anything, how sad is that?

One of the problems folks have in discussing wars like the ones in Iraq and Afghanistan is the confusion of terms. In both cases, the WAR was won in a matter of several weeks. The subsequent OCCUPATIONS went on for years/decades and were total disasters, bungled from start to finish.

But people talk about the 20 year Afghan war. There was no 20 year Afghan war. There was a 20 year Afghan occupation.

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