MIAC Track 2017

various sources wrote:

Social media says food poisoning. Dude needs to have a good race soon or I say he's cooked.

There seems to be a confidence between him and his coach that he can show up and race hard when it counts without really hard efforts first. Tbh it would scare the crap out of me to try that but he does ok.

Indoors he did one hard mile before conference, then ran a good DMR mile and walked away with the 3k.

Outdoors, I'm guessing he'll do one more Steeple to qualify for conference, then a 1500 or 800 to keep him sharp. The guy doesn't race much. Unlike Paul Timm, his main competition in the steeple, who barely broke 10 min at Lax.

Ok I'm just going to come out and say this, Paul Timm should not be doing steeple. If he is able to run a 15:04 in the 5k and then the next week only run a 9:59 in the steeple and lose to O'hare by 20 seconds then I think the evidence is clear that the steeple is not for him. He's obviously in great shape and has a good shot to place high in the 5k, but he may have to accept that steeple may just not be his thing. But you do you man.

My personal opinion wrote:

Ok I'm just going to come out and say this, Paul Timm should not be doing steeple. If he is able to run a 15:04 in the 5k and then the next week only run a 9:59 in the steeple and lose to O'hare by 20 seconds then I think the evidence is clear that the steeple is not for him. He's obviously in great shape and has a good shot to place high in the 5k, but he may have to accept that steeple may just not be his thing. But you do you man.

Maybe he's doing it not because he thinks he was born for it but because he thinks that by running the steeple he can maximize points at Conference for his team. If he runs Steeple and 10k he can probably score 12-15 points.

other opinions wrote:

My personal opinion wrote:

Ok I'm just going to come out and say this, Paul Timm should not be doing steeple. If he is able to run a 15:04 in the 5k and then the next week only run a 9:59 in the steeple and lose to O'hare by 20 seconds then I think the evidence is clear that the steeple is not for him. He's obviously in great shape and has a good shot to place high in the 5k, but he may have to accept that steeple may just not be his thing. But you do you man.

Maybe he's doing it not because he thinks he was born for it but because he thinks that by running the steeple he can maximize points at Conference for his team. If he runs Steeple and 10k he can probably score 12-15 points.

You're saying he can average a 3rd place performance? I don't think he can get one. And he definitely can't in the steeple after a 10k.

And, like many distance teams, St Olaf doesn't run to score points at conference.

Well, Bugler and Jerry switched up events tonight with Bugler in the 1500m in 3:53 and Jerry running a very impressive 14:37. The man has range.

Tris Dodge also ran a nice 15:05, that bodes well for him come conference.

Macalester had themselves a day.

Hinwood, Harper, and Boranian (all from MAC) ran 4:03, 4:05, and 4:05.

Nolan Ebner survived a fast frist lap to finish at 1:52.4 in the 800m.

Sean Bjork closed better than most of the field following the fast opening lap to run a 1:53.1. Evan Hatton followed suite with a 1:53.3.

Great running by those three.

Overall, a fun meet to watch despite the cold.

If my math adds up a 1500 like that is worth a bag o' beans at conference with this year's field. But it gets me thinking...

Ebner v Krogman

Hinwood v O'Hare

Boranian and Harper v ???

Doherty v Newsum

The Battle of the Basement could be furious in the distance events.

All Men's Meets>> wrote:Overall, a fun meet to watch despite the cold.

Agreed with all statements except the final. Mid-50's in mid-April? Doesn't get much better than that.

What the hell happened to the Stillwater alums in the 5k??

The elder Cook showing better range than the younger as well. Jerry seems to be flexing some muscle while Coffey is MIA again.

Bjork is definitely trending the right way as well...

Any word on Campbell at the U?

Bub timing at Tommie Twilight. Jerry ran 14:42 and Hoeft ran 14:37. Don't know where the got the 14:33 for Hoeft.

theOTHERwhitemeat wrote:

All Men's Meets>> wrote:Overall, a fun meet to watch despite the cold.

Agreed with all statements except the final. Mid-50's in mid-April? Doesn't get much better than that.

What the hell happened to the Stillwater alums in the 5k??

The elder Cook showing better range than the younger as well. Jerry seems to be flexing some muscle while Coffey is MIA again.

Bjork is definitely trending the right way as well...

Any word on Campbell at the U?

Coffey ran at Platteville. 14:34. Lots of Oles there. Ketola in 15:04. No one else did GREAT. Newsum on the start list but didn't run or finish, idk which, I wasn't there.

The Stillwater alums ran 1500s earlier so either tempo'd it or straight up died out there.

And Bjork confuses me. Couldn't hang at indoor conference, but then outkicks Hatton now. The indoor top guys got replaced.

I think Bjork is a better runner than he was indoors. Encouraging result for Coffey in the 5k. His upper range isn't quite as good as Jake's or Garcia-Cassani (14:23) and lower range isn't quite as good as Jerry/Jeremy Hernandez, but dang he can run 1500/Mile. I'm assuming the Oles will be going for it again in the 1500 at Phil Esten?

When can we expect Ryan Bugler to run a steeplechase? Also, if I was a returning national champ I would want to roll around and take some D1 scalps and pop off a good time before I tried to repeat. They seem content to just sneak into Nationals up in Collegeville.

Regardless of whether it was a 14:42 or 14:37 a great race for Jerry. Does this make him the way too soon favorite next fall assuming good health, etc? I hope he runs an open 4 at some point. The sub 14:40/3:50/1:50(seems destined to take a couple tenths off)/50 is probably a pretty small club.

Glad to see Macalester v. St. Mary's v. Augsburg shaping up into quite the contest. Seems that Ebner is legit. Frankly, the two might even compete themselves out of the toilet bowl. Undre (11.01) and Manni (22.56) were quite unconvincing yesterday. Kordah dropped below 50, but didn't jump well. Bethel's emergence as a 200/400 powerhouse and the next batch of good Tommie sprinters (Eckholm/Nelville) may limit the points the Auggies take home in the short sprints. GAC hasn't shown much, aside from their Jav, Disc, Shot, and Hammer thrower who might throw up 25 points by himself.

History of the Toilet Bowl Battle Since 2011:

2011

8. AUG 48

9. CAR 31

10. SMU 22

11. MAC 0

2012

9. AUG 14

10. MAC 4

11. SMU 3

2013

9. MAC 37

10. AUG 25

11. SMU 9

2014

9. AUG 41.5

10. MAC 28.5

11. SMU 1

2015

9. MAC 31

10. AUG 25

11. SMU 23

2016

9. AUG 40

10. SMU 27

11. MAC 21

SMU, MAC, and AUG seem to have righted the ship and made the basement battles far less embarrassing. Expect no different this year.

We all know JCG's home is in the 400, but he just ran the 4th fastest 800 for CAR this season, and I can only see him getting better from here with a bit more experience. Could we see both Cook-Gallardos on the same 4x800m team this year? That would be an interesting race at MIAC with both Fredricksons for GAC, and maybe both Huffmans for BET now with the second one is under 2:00?

I want, oh so badly, everyone to stack their 4x800m teams at conference. I know it's not likely. But there are so many teams with insane depth that it would be a killer race.

Also, Carleton should consider another Drake Relays 4x800n. Then and Saint John's went after it two years ago, and they are even better now.

The 4x8 could be absolutely incredible this year. I'm praying everyone mans up and puts their top guys in. Especially since any given individual's chance of scoring in the open 8 this year is absurdedly low compared to past years.

So if everyone nuts up and runs the 4x8 what are predictions?

Carleton the clear favorite?

Bethel/Gustavus

St Thomas/St Olaf

Hamline

4 x sexy wrote:

So if everyone nuts up and runs the 4x8 what are predictions?

Carleton the clear favorite?

Bethel/Gustavus

St Thomas/St Olaf

Hamline

Withbroe and DCG won't be running 1:53 and 1:50 after prelims that day. It comes down to who has the best 4. Carleton's 2 (.5 w Sikes who is a career crapshoot) won't save them against deeper teams like Bethel and St Olaf. Then again, all they have to do is get DCG within striking distance, and as long as it's not a sub 1:55/1:56 guy they most likely won't be able to fight him off when he comes up to them.

If it were a perfect world and every runner was fresh, then Carleton would be very, very difficult to beat. One, because they are deep enough to separate themselves from the field, with the exception of a few teams, and two, because no team's anchor would really be able to run with Donson. What I am thinking is that this will be one of the most stacked events of conference. With prelims sapping energy, and so many other teams stacking it, There is almost 5 teams in the mix to win it.

So I will predict a finish like this:

Concordia -

They will stack this. They will win this. Two runners capable of sub 1:55 will be difficult to beat. And a David Supinski is capable of holding a lead against just about any other MIAC runner.

Hamline -

Hamline can contend for the conference title as a team. They need all the points they can get. They stack it, but can't match the two headed monster of Concordia.

Gustavus -

This is a tough one. Ultimately their placing depends on wether they run Sandberg here. He is teetering on the line between running the open 800m or just running the 4x800m. If he is in the relay, they get a significant boost. I don't think Fredrickson runs this.

St. John's -

They have decent depth, but benefit from having Bugler on their relay. He won't win them the thing, but he will keep them in it.

St. Olaf -

Their guys always seem to show up during conference. With plenty of sub 2:00 runners to spare, they remain in this.

Bethel -

Bethel's 4x800m benefits from having a slew of 800m runners who aren't fast enough just yet to score in the open 800m. Thus, everyone after Hatton is in this.

St. Thomas -

Same situation as Bethel. Too many athletes that are not likely to score in the open events. Thus, a stacked 4x800m.

Careleton -

This is a REALLY hard one. Carleton will either finish second to last, or they will win the relay. They are not deep enough to not run Donson, Withbroe, or Sikes. If one runs, they all have to run or else it would be a wasted effort. I want to say that they all sit out of the 4x800m and save it for the open 800m. But, I said the same thing about the DMR and they ran that...

Olaf and Bethel 5 and 6 in the 4x8? Okay pal.

If they sit out their top 800m runners for the open event, then yes. It makes sense. Their others runners barely cracked 2:00. That is what I'm basing my reasoning off. You think their 3rd best 800m runner could beat Krause, Supinski, Bugler, or Fredrickson?