Atantic Region XC - D3

wow. sorry mr. lowe for offending you. I had no idea you took these message boards so seriously. As you just put it "Just means that the people doing to voting are looking at the numbers on the paper, not the heresay on the message boards." Maybe you should take some advice from yourself and just run. Stop worrying about what i post. I'm only a washed up has been from a D3 program who is losing his mind at grad school and needs to have some fun on the message boards. You said yourself things will work themselves out, including regionals. Go train and stop getting ulcers from my posts. Good luck at geneseo. I would love to see a team take them down.

Is Andy Forma (Fredonia) running cross this year?

And now everyone knows how to get in his head, just give a little elbow, a little shove, and show no love...

here it is wrote:

wow. sorry mr. lowe for offending you. I had no idea you took these message boards so seriously. As you just put it "Just means that the people doing to voting are looking at the numbers on the paper, not the heresay on the message boards." Maybe you should take some advice from yourself and just run. Stop worrying about what i post. I'm only a washed up has been from a D3 program who is losing his mind at grad school and needs to have some fun on the message boards. You said yourself things will work themselves out, including regionals. Go train and stop getting ulcers from my posts. Good luck at geneseo. I would love to see a team take them down.

paul short might be "short", but it is still the same course from previous years and people can look at that. From last years meet, top atlantic region times, abdallah went around 2420, cfred, around 2440's, williams 2455or so, and deshane was around 25;05. I think CNJ had a few guys at low 25's as well.

xc is a race, among people, not against a watch. judge cortland, cnj, and whoever else will be there from our region against the likes of haverford, etown and others.

alright I might be crazy but if someone pushed or shoved me I would think about that person even if its for a split second or for the whole race so why is it all that amazing that you can get in someones head that way...but then again seriously I might be crazy

Top Ten Teams:

1.) SUNY Cortland

2.) Ithaca

3.) St. Lawrence

4.) UR

5.) SUNY Geneseo

6.) NYU

7.) TCNJ

8.) RIT

9.) SUNY Brockport

10.) SUNY Plattsburgh

This list looks strange, I know.. But i really put forth a good effort making my picks.

Top 5 Runners:

Fontana Fluke

John Gaudette

Jesse Williamson

Ryan Williams

Matt DeShane

Solid runners right there.

"While running anything can happen. This sport isn't about being the best, it's about beating the best. It's about having the heart to keep pushing, striding along, while others would stop. This is why i run. Why do you? " Pre

I sincerely hope you are joking....

Is you a f***ing ass? You must be joking.

aw leave the poor guy alone, he's probably just some distracted Cortland student who should be studying for his Dodgeball 201 exam instead. If you have cortland winning let alone the SUNYAC, you are not following the region very seriously Don't get me wrong though Cloke and Nally could be a beastly duo, lets see what they do at Paul Short (Nally's first race). It should be interesting to see how many Geneseo puts in the top 15 in the region and if one of Cortlands big guns can run with that pack. DeShane will be there. Not sure about the rest of his "top 5 runners." I think NYU might put a guy in there somewhere...just to throw a wild guess out there.

1) Geneseo

2) NYU

3) TCNJ

4) Cortland

5) RIT

6) SLU

7) Ithaca

8) UofR

9) Plattsburgh

10) Brockport

Umm, First off, you have Jesse Williamson in your top 5 picks. I can assure you after 3 years of running with him, and Nate Cantgetpushedwithoutwhining Lowe, Lowe is faster, not only has his finishes this year been above Williamson, but he has been for some time. Williamson is talented, but not faster than Lowe. And U of R, above NYU TCNJ, and RIT? Why put UR above any of the teams who HAVE performed so far? The only thing UR has proved this year is that Mark Steven's back will be sore from carrying his team to many more defeats. Speaking of whom, you forgot Stevens in the top 5 runner list. And as for Ithica and SLU... sigh. Don't rank them until they show us a reason to do so. Currently those teams are all heresay.

Honestly Im surprised you didn't throw Fredonia in there, that would have made a bit more un-sense.

My prediction wrote:

1) Geneseo

2) NYU

3) TCNJ

4) Cortland

5) RIT

6) SLU

7) Ithaca

8) UofR

9) Plattsburgh

10) Brockport

That's a lot better than the last one i saw but this is the way i see it.

1.Geneseo

2.NYU

3.TCNJ

4.Cortland

5.SLU

6.RIT

7.Brockport

8.RPI

9.Rowan

10.Oswego

Interesting that RIT's team liked to make the same joke about Stevens after they beat UR at their early season duel meet last season. Were you still laughing about it when UR placed 2nd and 4th at States and Regionals, beating RIT both times? I guess if winning a head-to-head matchup in early September is so important to you, go ahead and have it.

I will agree with you on one point though - Nate Lowe seems like one hell of a whiny bitch. Sorry Lowe, no matter how hard you try and how much you obsess about it, you ain't gonna beat Stevens, so just give up right now.

It's a good thing that there is a lot of positive attitude here.

In all seriousness (cliché aside), let the results do the talking. No one is getting a foot up on anyone else by pointing fingers and calling each other names. It's rediculous. There's more trash talk here than within a group of high school cheerleaders.

Bannana Hammocks!

Williamson is sooo overrated, he an old man that should be in a retirement home, not racing kids almost half his age. How you can rank him so high is beyond me.

Dear DICK,

I agree with your point about "a race between people" but even you have to admit that people that write to this site are obsessed with times. For instance, last year everyone said that, based on the times they ran during the year on courses like Paul Short and Connecticut College (to name a couple well known short 8ks), NYU and CNJ were much faster than Geneseo and that Geneseo could not hang with either team because they were not fast enough. The regional race at Rochester proved otherwise.

You can't compare times from course to course in XC. Doesn't work. You can only compare results of team against team and even that gets thorny when one considers whether Team A ran its full complement or not. Thus all of this posturing is just that - posturing, internet fantasy. But fun nevertheless.

geneseo ran very well at regionals true, and I agree you cannot compare times from different courses, but lets be real here, NYU had 2 guys 20+ seconds up on geneseo and cnj. NYU lost it when their pack got out to fast and got rocked in miles 3 and 4. Put every kid in that regional race exactly where they finished, in the same spot at nationals. (which yes i know it never works out exactly like that, but use your imagination) NYU ends up a top 8 team. There was 17 seconds from 5th Williams to 6th Nally, in a more competitive race there will be more people to fill that gap, which looks like the region should do this year. Look how much CNJ beat Geneseo by at nationals and they were only 3 points off at regionals. The regional was really weak last year, it was basically a tri-meet with a small handful of other kids. Like 16 of the top 23 were form either cnj, geneseo or nyu. The whole region looks stronger this year 1-8, and there should be more guys from back teams helping spread the points up front this year, especially knowing they will be battling for those 7 ncaa spots.

500th post. Three cheers for mindless speculation!

Does anyone know what happened to Jodie Schoppman of SUNY Potsdam; not listed on the 2006 team roster or in 2006 team photo (from the school website)? Quit? Injured? Transferred? Seasonal Affective Disorder? Other?