The more you say the less believable you become. You are trying to dig yourself out of a hole of your own making. You have failed to see the title of the thread, which simply refers to "sexual assault" - not your "inappropriate coach-athlete situations". Unsurprisingly, you also don't grasp she wouldn't have made a complaint if she had been "comfortable" with a sexual assault.
But I guess it would be reassuring for her if she knew she has the same "sympathy" you have previously extended to Salazar and a bunch of doped athletes.
I can't help what you believe as you do have a long history of expressing your faith in fantasy.
I don't see anything in the title about harassing and making up lies and whatever else it takes to prevent rekrunner from simply expressing sympathy for the victim for her discomfort from all of the inappropriate incidents, but that hasn't stopped you from derailing the thread with your own personal unresolved insecurities.
Nor do I see anything about doping in the thread title, but you keep trolling for a response, attempting to derail the thread even further.
I do see "her new book" in the title, and I was not the first and only one to respond to other "non-sexual assault" complaints that appear in the book.
In your own words:
"Did she get raped?
Regardless, if she was comfortable about it, she doesn't need my sympathy. If not, she has my complete sympathy."(quote)
So, if she was "raped" and she was "comfortable" about it she doesn't require your sympathy. You couldn't have been plainer. The rest of the thread has been spent in your trying say you didn't say that.
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Regardless, if she was comfortable about it, she doesn't need my sympathy. If not, she has my complete sympathy."(quote)
So, if she was "raped" and she was "comfortable" about it she doesn't require your sympathy. You couldn't have been plainer. The rest of the thread has been spent in your trying say you didn't say that.
Sure, I always admitted I linked my sympathy with her discomfort. Nothing could be plainer.
But is this whole thing because you don't know what "if" means?
More proof that humans are fallible; Salazar for massaging his athletes (which is nuts even at the turn of the century), Goucher for wanting him back, amongst other things in their tumultuous relationship.
If true, Goucher has provided a service to women and men everywhere by publicizing what appropriate boundaries are in their professional relationships and another shot across the bow as to what inappropriate working relationships are like.
If untrue, then Salazar is collateral damage in the big picture. Men will see this as patently unfair where women will see his downfall as worth it.
As a male and the father of a daughter, who has placed her in the care of coaches, I swing back and forth on the pendulum of their truth.
Condolences to both.
It's a great point about workplace boundaries, so it's safe for all involved. Men need to respect women's boundaries. I don't think it's unfair that Kara is blowing up Al Sal--this totally destroys his legacy and he'll never be able to gain it back.
More proof that humans are fallible; Salazar for massaging his athletes (which is nuts even at the turn of the century), Goucher for wanting him back, amongst other things in their tumultuous relationship.
If true, Goucher has provided a service to women and men everywhere by publicizing what appropriate boundaries are in their professional relationships and another shot across the bow as to what inappropriate working relationships are like.
If untrue, then Salazar is collateral damage in the big picture. Men will see this as patently unfair where women will see his downfall as worth it.
As a male and the father of a daughter, who has placed her in the care of coaches, I swing back and forth on the pendulum of their truth.
Condolences to both.
You would think that a professional trainer/runner/normal man, would not do what he did to Kara. It is common sense that what he did is wrong and needs help. I can't accept any excuse to what he did to Kara as a man, or if Kara was my daughter. Could you as a father? That is absurd what Salzar did, and we know anything close to those behaviors are ridiculous. needs help
This may get me hate but Al Sal should be in jail for this. Even general pop criminals regard rapists and molesters at the bottom of their food chain.
You would think that a professional trainer/runner/normal man, would not do what he did to Kara. It is common sense that what he did is wrong and needs help. I can't accept any excuse to what he did to Kara as a man, or if Kara was my daughter. Could you as a father? That is absurd what Salzar did, and we know anything close to those behaviors are ridiculous. needs help
This may get me hate but Al Sal should be in jail for this. Even general pop criminals regard rapists and molesters at the bottom of their food chain.
What an idiotic justification drawing lessons from “general pop criminals”, whatever that means, based on an unproven allegation.
Regardless, if she was comfortable about it, she doesn't need my sympathy. If not, she has my complete sympathy."(quote)
So, if she was "raped" and she was "comfortable" about it she doesn't require your sympathy. You couldn't have been plainer. The rest of the thread has been spent in your trying say you didn't say that.
Sure, I always admitted I linked my sympathy with her discomfort. Nothing could be plainer.
But is this whole thing because you don't know what "if" means?
Sure, I get the meaning of "if" as you used it. "If she was comfortable with being raped". Victims often are, aren't they? You're such an empath.
This may get me hate but Al Sal should be in jail for this. Even general pop criminals regard rapists and molesters at the bottom of their food chain.
What an idiotic justification drawing lessons from “general pop criminals”, whatever that means, based on an unproven allegation.
An allegation accepted by SafeSport against Salazar's denial. What reason would she have had to make a false complaint against him to SafeSport? Safesport would have found her account and the details it involved convincing; his denial unconvincing.
Sure, I always admitted I linked my sympathy with her discomfort. Nothing could be plainer.
But is this whole thing because you don't know what "if" means?
Sure, I get the meaning of "if" as you used it. "If she was comfortable with being raped". Victims often are, aren't they? You're such an empath.
If you understood the meaning of "if", as I used it, you wouldn't use the word "often" here either. These conditions can be rare, and can also be non-existent.
As I used it (your criteria), a conditional statement establishes a rule, or a relation, between an initial condition, and a consequence, but does not suggest in and of itself that that condition, or its opposite, is possible, or has occurred.
For example, suppose I suggest during a discussion that "If the earth is flat, then I'll eat my hat." This "if" statement, per se, does not establish the possibility that the earth is flat, or that I believe it is possible the earth is flat.
Your false outrage, among a couple others, for the last 10 pages, seems to be based on a ideas of your own making that, by saying "uncomfortable", I implicitly suggested Kara could be comfortable with some inappropriate situation which I did not specify, or that I was euphemizing "sexual assault" in order to downplay the two massages with penetration, or that I didn't refer to "sexual assault" as "rape" -- a term also not used by Kara or Safesport.
The root of all these false emotions seems to be a lack of understanding, or possibly a lack of honesty, or both, on your part.
Sure, I get the meaning of "if" as you used it. "If she was comfortable with being raped". Victims often are, aren't they? You're such an empath.
If you understood the meaning of "if", as I used it, you wouldn't use the word "often" here either. These conditions can be rare, and can also be non-existent.
As I used it (your criteria), a conditional statement establishes a rule, or a relation, between an initial condition, and a consequence, but does not suggest in and of itself that that condition, or its opposite, is possible, or has occurred.
For example, suppose I suggest during a discussion that "If the earth is flat, then I'll eat my hat." This "if" statement, per se, does not establish the possibility that the earth is flat, or that I believe it is possible the earth is flat.
Your false outrage, among a couple others, for the last 10 pages, seems to be based on a ideas of your own making that, by saying "uncomfortable", I implicitly suggested Kara could be comfortable with some inappropriate situation which I did not specify, or that I was euphemizing "sexual assault" in order to downplay the two massages with penetration, or that I didn't refer to "sexual assault" as "rape" -- a term also not used by Kara or Safesport.
The root of all these false emotions seems to be a lack of understanding, or possibly a lack of honesty, or both, on your part.
The more you say, the deeper the hole.
"If she was comfortable about it (being raped) she doesn't need my sympathy".(quote)
If Kara felt uncomfortable, from anything inappropriate, she has my full sympathy.
If Kara felt comfortable, from anything inappropriate, she does not need my sympathy.
If Kara felt uncomfortable from anything appropriate, she does not have my sympathy.
Nothing could be clearer, but I'm sure you will find a way to get it wrong, again.
If Kara felt "comfortable" from "anything inappropriate" she "doesn't have (your) sympathy". So a sexual assault is merely "inappropriate". And you think she might have been "comfortable" with that. Your attempts to explain yourself show what you really are. But you're the only one who doesn't see it.
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If Kara felt uncomfortable, from anything inappropriate, she has my full sympathy.
If Kara felt comfortable, from anything inappropriate, she does not need my sympathy.
If Kara felt uncomfortable from anything appropriate, she does not have my sympathy.
Nothing could be clearer, but I'm sure you will find a way to get it wrong, again.
If Kara felt "comfortable" from "anything inappropriate" she "doesn't have (your) sympathy". So a sexual assault is merely "inappropriate". And you think she might have been "comfortable" with that. Your attempts to explain yourself show what you really are. But you're the only one who doesn't see it.
If Kara felt "comfortable" from "anything inappropriate" she "doesn't have (your) sympathy". So a sexual assault is merely "inappropriate". And you think she might have been "comfortable" with that. Your attempts to explain yourself show what you really are. But you're the only one who doesn't see it.
I wouldn't say "merely". And I didn't.
But you would. And you did.
Are you an android or a person? You do not see how the term "merely" fastens itself to your use of "inappropriate" for a sexual assault. If a coach in a position of power sexually assaulted your daughter would you describe his criminal act as merely "inappropriate"? Such an unbelievably trivializing term. We also know if she was "comfortable" with it she wouldn't have your "sympathy". You have made that clear enough with Goucher. You're quite a monster, aren't you?
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