Full Shelby Houlihan Report is Out from CAS

Runner1018 wrote:

gumpyrunner wrote:

Lindsey Frerichs:

• They ate around 7:30 pm. She remembers this because they ate dinner and then they watched the Bachelorette, which started at 8 pm.

This might be the most embarrassing finding of them all!

No. Its not embarassing for an American woman to be watching junk reality TV. And I can say this because I'm an American man and don't care what you think.

Now, if Oscar Valdez, the boxer who tested positive recently or one of his training partners said this, then it would be embarrassing...and hilarious.

casual obsever wrote:

sanootage wrote:

For my part there is a huge chance it is not intentional .

How much more of a slam dunk do you need?

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/sep/01/cas-say-close-to-zero-probability-shelby-houlihan-failed-drugs-test-due-to-burrito

Pay attention oh thick one.

I agree the burrito argument fails.

oh that’s right your ‘argument’ aka The agreat Sabotage Conspiracy without a “Why?” “Who?”

zero evidence, but, of course, no evide only proves your point somehow?

Good luck guy

Man, the report itself is pretty damning.

The amazing thing to me is that Houlihan's defense essentially boils down to "Yeah, but she's a good person". All the testimonies given (from Frerichs, Centro, etc.) can be summarized as such.

What a wild thing.

unbelief wrote:

oh that’s right your ‘argument’ aka The agreat Sabotage Conspiracy without a “Why?” “Who?”

zero evidence, but, of course, no evide only proves your point somehow?

Good luck guy

There can be no evidence; that is my point.

I look at all the possibilities and come to the conclusion that sabotage looks likely.

jock jams wrote:

I cannot begin to imagine how embarrassing it must be to get caught cheating, make up a 1/10,000 billsh1t story then have to endure a 44 page scientific breakdown of how BS you story was, which is then made publicly available.

I'd much rather just say - you know what, I was cheating. It was wrong, I regret it but given the chance I would do it again.

It's really about as simple as this right here.

sanootage wrote:

spade detector wrote:

This wasn't a false positive though. She had more nandrolone in her system than is allowed by WADA. That's not a statement of opinion. You just think there is a possibility that it was unintentional.

The whole system is not based on intent ie cheating.

For my part there is a huge chance it is not intentional .

The test results were not disputed and the the information contained in the report made a compelling argument that her claim of a tainted burrito was not plausible.

You say that there is a huge chance of her unintentionally consuming the nandrolone but that implies there should be no testing for nandrolone. A better solution is for athletes to be very careful in what they eat.

If it's so easy to unintentionally have nandrolone in one's system, why was Shelby the only American distance runner to be banned?

The Truth Hurts wrote:

Man, the report itself is pretty damning.

The amazing thing to me is that Houlihan's defense essentially boils down to "Yeah, but she's a good person". All the testimonies given (from Frerichs, Centro, etc.) can be summarized as such.

What a wild thing.

Not damning that she cheated; in fact silent on the matter; unless you can read the 44 pages and find something I could not.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

sanootage wrote:

The whole system is not based on intent ie cheating.

For my part there is a huge chance it is not intentional .

The test results were not disputed and the the information contained in the report made a compelling argument that her claim of a tainted burrito was not plausible.

You say that there is a huge chance of her unintentionally consuming the nandrolone but that implies there should be no testing for nandrolone. A better solution is for athletes to be very careful in what they eat.

If it's so easy to unintentionally have nandrolone in one's system, why was Shelby the only American distance runner to be banned?

Others were not sabotaged.

And in normal justice strict liability would not be dealt with as absolute liability and certainly not have a uniform ban.

Charlatan wrote:

It's alphabetical, so using my research, I would say one of these -

Elise Cranny

Chris Derrick

Gabrielle Debues-Stafford

Rick Sanchez wrote:

Whose name is omitted in the space after Coburn and before Ferlic?

https://twitter.com/CleanSportCO/status/1405666744698425344

I don't find any immediate results showing involvement of Chris Derrick, Elise Cranny in the clean sport collective. I do see that Allyson Felix being a member. If it was her, why was her name redacted?

sanootage wrote:

joey montana wrote:

This thread could have been locked after this (the 4th) post. You add up the probabilities of all those and you're probably ending up in the 1 in more than a billion chance.

That’s why I suggest sabotage.

Sabotage implies a deliberate act to cause harm to Shelby. But according to her statement below they investigated every other possibility and concluded the tainted burrito was the most likely source of the nandrolone. So what is your theory?

The statement also claims they "knew" pig offal contains nandrolone. When did they gain such knowledge, considering neither Shelby, nor her coach had ever heard of this substance before?

“For us, looking at all of the possibilities, we knew that pig offal was a natural source of nandrolone and that eating it could elevate the levels in the body. We knew that I had eaten a burrito from a food truck that also served pig offal approximately 10 hours prior to that. We knew that when you ingest pig offal that contains nandrolone, the levels of that hormone in the body reach its peak around 10 hours after consumption. To us, this was the most logical explanation of how this could have happened. The only thing that we truly did know with 100% certainty was that I did not intentionally take that substance or any other prohibited substance in any form.”

Her diet that day, per the report:

Lunch: Cheesecake. Nothing else, just cheesecake.

(very late) Dinner: Mystery meat burrito, marinated in its own pool of grease. Chased down with a mandarin Jarritos (44 grams of pure sugar per bottle).

The food of champions!

Grape soda fanatic wrote:

Her diet that day, per the report:

Lunch: Cheesecake. Nothing else, just cheesecake.

(very late) Dinner: Mystery meat burrito, marinated in its own pool of grease. Chased down with a mandarin Jarritos (44 grams of pure sugar per bottle).

The food of champions!

It's funny reading that and then reading the recent diet thread on this site.

Yes , the food was the most likely but there would be other possibilities.

And you have the time line wrong when you say she: they knew about contamination.This would be when they were looking at possibilities not when the got the food.

well there you have it then!

what a stupid point/position/‘argument’ that you think is clever and youre wasting time on

zxcvzxcv wrote:

Very interesting that they are requiring that she prove herself innocent, rather than that they prove her guilty.

Yes, this is how the WADA rules are written. They say that you fail a doping test, you are presumed guilty. In every doping case, the burden is on the athlete to prove her innocence.

Can the presumption of guilt really be surprising or interesting at this point?

unbelief wrote:

well there you have it then!

what a stupid point/position/‘argument’ that you think is clever and youre wasting time on

Have what ?

Harambe wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Yeah, if they serve some wacky meat from a questionable source and some people get sick from eating it, they would lose their license and probably go out of business. It's likely that Shelby's food truck owner follows the rules.

There's a big difference between serving pig offal that's been cooked and is sanitary but had undocumented provenance and serving rancid/raw meat.

You all need to understand that it is CHEAPER to source meat through the USDA system than outside of it. Small or backyard type livestock production can't touch the prices on USDA pork. In my butcher shop the local pork is close to 3x the price of commodity pork. When I buy a whole pig direct from a farmer (for a home pig roast thus circumventing the usda slaughterhouse that I need to run it through to sell it) the meat is still almost double the price. It's tough to find a small farm in America that would sell a pig for less than 4/lb hanging weight.

Blah blah blah, she's guilty.

you damning your nonsensical position out on your own mouth

guess you didn’t even realize, but youve been on this ridiculous hobby horse since the news broke the first time

i feel sorry for the ppl in your life that have to listen to you on any subject