A $25,000 ventilation system is NOT out of reach. Sell your modest car, buy an old Camry and finance it. I wish more people would do this. Good for Rupp.
A $25,000 ventilation system is NOT out of reach. Sell your modest car, buy an old Camry and finance it. I wish more people would do this. Good for Rupp.
dsffsdfsdfdfs wrote:
So Rupp has an Alter G at 10,000ft.? That right there could be the "secret." He could be running 250 MPW at 10,000ft. That would be so boring and so effective.
I've got no issue with these methods, as long as it is not bad for your health. The problem is when a scenario is created when that you must damage your health to compete.
This is why the real anti doping message should be not believing in quackery. I want wejo and rojo to get on board with this message. It's 2020, not 2002.
And to your first point, Mike Smith points out in the article that he doesn't want Rupp to overtrain.
yes wrote:
slripe111 wrote:
Exactly, the tent is a puffed up placebo, it may be a perfect pretext to explain some of the anomalies in his blood profile.
If such anomalies exist? My point is that the vast majority of people, sports scientists included have no clue about how hematology affects energy delivery. Nor do they care, they just love to pontificate.
Like you, Jon.
the430miler wrote:
Kinda stupid when he could just move to leadville.
Not really. In Leadville you can’t step out your front door and do a track workout at sea level.
Wow the greatest American distance runner of all time worth millions of dollars spent 25 k for an altitude ventilation system. That’s like the 99% of you that buy $250 Nikes to improve your pointless marathon time by 1 minute.
If you have the money do what you want with it! In his world this is just another .1% that is within his means to improve his craft. Just like running on soft surfaces, pt and everything else that’s adds up after 20 years of running.
Some call it mastery, you peasants who are bummed you’ll never amount to anything in this sport will simply make yourselves feel better and decide he’s a cheater.... Crying on the let’s run boards for the next 10 years . Wahhhhhhhh
https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-17-2017/YxbxdJ.gifjealouschildren wrote:
Wow the greatest American distance runner of all time worth millions of dollars spent 25 k for an altitude ventilation system. That’s like the 99% of you that buy $250 Nikes to improve your pointless marathon time by 1 minute.
If you have the money do what you want with it! In his world this is just another .1% that is within his means to improve his craft. Just like running on soft surfaces, pt and everything else that’s adds up after 20 years of running.
Some call it mastery, you peasants who are bummed you’ll never amount to anything in this sport will simply make yourselves feel better and decide he’s a cheater.... Crying on the let’s run boards for the next 10 years . Wahhhhhhhh
The NOP altitude house was news 10 years ago, and WADA looked into it and did nothing. Surely wejo knew about that, so why should it be any surprise if Rupp still has one?
Somebody the other day asked something like: Wejo, do you make an active effort to know nothing about anything in the world until it comes and affirmatively punches you in the face? I count at least 100 mentions of Rupp and the altitude house on Letsrun alone with a quick google search. Several of them mention that it's set at 10,000-12,000 ft, or a bit lower when he's recovering. . . . Am I giving Wejo too much credit to dismiss the possibility that he's just fishing for clicks and posts now?
High altitude yeti wrote:
jesseriley wrote:
Knew a guy who attempted Everest.
He said they made the obligatory stop at the local pharmacy.
They were given medicines with verbal instructions in basically 3 categories:
- This medicine is maintenance, every day
- This medicine is taken to alleviate altitude sickness
- This medicine is emergency use only, last resort
I am sure it's true. Some locals came up with a nice scam for rich "Climbers". Did it work? Probably not.
I know that people use diamox, the drug who helps you with altitude sickness, a LOT.
In South American they chew coca leaves. It works.
The house has air pumped in that has been stripped of oxygen to simulate altitude but is at the same pressure as wherever the house is located. But at altitude lower air pressure prevents the absorption of oxygen. It is not the same thing. Is there science on the difference?
My question is whether the house works the same as actually training at altitude. Are there good studies?
Tom
Bio Dome wrote:
He has always been a cheater. Altitude tents should be banned. Only silver lining in the Covid-19 thing is that cheaters won't bring home more Olympic hardware.
A ban of altitude tents was discussed a long time ago. It was decided that such a ban is really unfair. Rich nations can send athletes to actual altitude. Or the luck of being born/living at altitude.
It is interesting that Norway banned their use in Norway---yet does not ban athletes going to altitude camps.
Crowd Sorcerer wrote:
It's not that difficult to do if you're willing to invest some money and your house isn't enormous.
Back in 2007 I converted my bedroom by sealing everything off. If I left the hypoxic generator on for about 5 hours before going to bed the room would be at about 7000'. If I left it on for about 24 hours the room would max at around 12,500'. Our room was about 12' x 13' x 8'. So roughly 150 square feet with an 8' ceiling at 10,000' needs one generator running about 16 hours a day.
Keep in mind that's 10,000' above wherever you are. If you start off in Flagstaff you could keep an entire house around 16-17,000' with enough generators.
You get used to the darth-vader-breathing sound of the air being pumped into the room, but at first it's kinda creepy.
A house is an order of magnitude more challenging than a single bedroom.
The East African myth was just epo wrote:
the430miler wrote:
Kinda stupid when he could just move to leadville.
Not really. In Leadville you can’t step out your front door and do a track workout at sea level.
But you can run a treadmill breathing supplemental oxygen. Did that in Colorado Springs for many endurance athletes.
Derderian wrote:
The house has air pumped in that has been stripped of oxygen to simulate altitude but is at the same pressure as wherever the house is located. But at altitude lower air pressure prevents the absorption of oxygen. It is not the same thing. Is there science on the difference?
My question is whether the house works the same as actually training at altitude. Are there good studies?
Tom
I'd suggest starting with Randy Wilber's book on Altitude Training. It will be a good primer. Then go to PubMed and search for normobaric and normoxic studies.
10x harder than what I did still ain’t that tough if you have motivation and money.
Converting a traditional ~ 3k sf house to sim alt would be more expensive than building a new one. Typically $125/sf for a nice home...$375k. Add another $75-100k for special windows, building envelope treatment (sheet barriers...tape sealants) mechanical systems, controls.
I remember hearing this years ago. Someone who uses an altitude house, super shoes, breath right strips, injections of b-12, thyroid medication, asthma medication, etc etc etc would never ever, EVER use anything that isn’t banned for an athletic performance enhancing advantage....
B*tch please. He’s as dirty as Lance was. Wake up
PNWobserver wrote:
I remember hearing this years ago. Someone who uses an altitude house, super shoes, breath right strips, injections of b-12, thyroid medication, asthma medication, etc etc etc would never ever, EVER use anything that isn’t banned for an athletic performance enhancing advantage....
B*tch please. He’s as dirty as Lance was. Wake up
Or I suppose that someone who would go to the bother of doing all that is doing it so they wouldn't have to use banned substances to be competitive?
Not sure why anyone would have a problem with altitude houses. Is it not authentic nor old school enough?
I heard that Rojo hooked his apartment up with an altitude simulator, but he was so stupid that he reversed the connection and actually slept at -10,000 ft altitude. No wonder he couldn't compete with Wejo and spends the rest of his life disparaging runners.
Derderian wrote:
The house has air pumped in that has been stripped of oxygen to simulate altitude but is at the same pressure as wherever the house is located. But at altitude lower air pressure prevents the absorption of oxygen. It is not the same thing. Is there science on the difference?
My question is whether the house works the same as actually training at altitude. Are there good studies?
Tom
Great point.
I think some training in altitude can be a great stimulus for the body (including blood cells...) but I don't think that is the reason why Kenians are so good.
Or why Rupp are so good. It's about the hard dedicated training over a long time, that matters.