Did world record holder Brigid Kosgei miss three tests?

It may also just mean that athletes from Kenya are tested more than others because they're from a country categorised (insultingly) as "most likely to dope".

El Keniano wrote:

A welcome departure wrote:

I'd be more than happy for you to leave again. I certainly don't think I'm alone in this. If you contributed anything remotely positive to even out your racism and inflammatory statements, it might be another story.

Get registered and I might take you seriously. As for now, your post is meaningless.

your entire existence is meaningless.

The problem is not about if she's been tested 6 times or 9 times before Chicago or London, or if she missed 3 test,

the real problem is that is very hard with those test to get caught positive.

So all the ones that have been tested positive is like an accident happened something that have gone wrong, a substance that supposed to not been detected again for some strange biochimical reasons is still present in the urine or blood.

So considering the fact that Kenya has now about 45 athletes suspended for doping violations, thats mean that use of peds in that country is huge and total considering the difficult to get tested positive. But at least in Kenya they are doing something , now they need to do the same in Ethiopia.

El Keniano wrote:

exrunner wrote:

Now I had no opinion before this article as to whether Kosgei was doping or not. I’d assume she isn’t until proven otherwise.

Missing three tests is suspicious. She is a young athlete and only been professional since 2016.

Also, if an athlete has been tested 14 times this year already that is targeted testing. Something a friend of mine who works in UKADA told me they employ when an athlete records a suspect but not illegal test.

It may also just mean that athletes from Kenya are tested more than others because they're from a country categorised (insultingly) as "most likely to dope".

C'mon...man, Ukraine and Belarus are also on that list and I would bett that Kenya has more doping positives than either Ukraine & Belarus. Therefore, both Ukraine & Belarus are also "insultingly" categorized on that list.

So, why do you keep defending Kenya like crazy and blow off Ukraine & Belarus? They're getting caught for doping a lot just like you guys are and they're not whining & crying about it. Just man-up and admit Kenya has a major doping problem like Ukraine & Belarus. In fact, that's what the three countries have in common these days. Lol.

Oh Please wrote:

Only idiots with head in sand believe any top marathon performance is clean (or track, or any professional sport).

Therefore this is not noteworthy at all.

Yeah, because unless they were doping, they';d only run as fast as the average hobby jogger on letsrun

Stay away then.

Kosgei was probably just sick with "Malaria" A little EPO is just like a witch doctor cure. Nothing to see here.

Can someone with knowledge of how drug testing is supposed to work in situations like this? So she's sick, so what? Can't the test still be done? How could she have "left the training venue when they arrived?" Are the testing officials that incompetent? Is her coach that unavailable and she that unavailable to her coach? I'm not making accusations. I just wonder how this could happen. Given my limited time in Kenya, I could believe incompetence, but can someone enlighten me on how those misses might have innocently occurred?

There are three times the anti-doping officials did not test her and they made a big deal out of it yet she was sick or had left the training venue when they arrived.

fisky wrote:

Can someone with knowledge of how drug testing is supposed to work in situations like this? So she's sick, so what? Can't the test still be done? How could she have "left the training venue when they arrived?" Are the testing officials that incompetent? Is her coach that unavailable and she that unavailable to her coach?

I'm not making accusations. I just wonder how this could happen. Given my limited time in Kenya, I could believe incompetence, but can someone enlighten me on how those misses might have innocently occurred?

There are three times the anti-doping officials did not test her and they made a big deal out of it yet she was sick or had left the training venue when they arrived.

typo: can someone *explain* how drug testing is supposed to...

fisky wrote:

Can someone with knowledge of how drug testing is supposed to work in situations like this? So she's sick, so what? Can't the test still be done? How could she have "left the training venue when they arrived?" Are the testing officials that incompetent? Is her coach that unavailable and she that unavailable to her coach?

I'm not making accusations. I just wonder how this could happen. Given my limited time in Kenya, I could believe incompetence, but can someone enlighten me on how those misses might have innocently occurred?

There are three times the anti-doping officials did not test her and they made a big deal out of it yet she was sick or had left the training venue when they arrived.

Athletes have a 1 hour window where they have to be in a certain place if the testers decide to show up OOC. So she should have not have “left the training venue”, if that’s where she said she’s be for her 1 hour window. And she could still have been tested when she was “sick”.

captain mystery wrote:

Most already know her time is fake. Massive doping + cheater shoes= 2:14.

The sport of track and field is dying because of the Brigid Kosgei’s of the world.

Sadly, unbelievable times that break (by a large margin) previous world records that were called to question surrounding PED’s are just that - they are unbelievable.

Nothing to celebrate from her performance. It is my hope that she and the many others like her, her coach and her NGB get busted, shut down, stripped of all records, prize money and running contract salary taken back, and they be put in jail.

Subway Surfers wrote:

Yes and nothing will come of it because the IAAF is either corrupt or incompetent.

True... most likely both !!!

Think of all the tea money she had to give to the testers to turn a blind eye. That is what she means by take it to the bank. The testers wallets are full

El Keniano wrote:

It may also just mean that athletes from Kenya are tested more than others because they're from a country categorised (insultingly) as "most likely to dope".

Yet Kenya had to leave their best 5K runners behind for the World Championships because Kenyan anti-doping couldn't even get round to testing them the obligatory 3 times in 12 months.

exrunner wrote:

Now I had no opinion before this article as to whether Kosgei was doping or not. I’d assume she isn’t until proven otherwise.

Missing three tests is suspicious. She is a young athlete and only been professional since 2016.

Also, if an athlete has been tested 14 times this year already that is targeted testing. Something a friend of mine who works in UKADA told me they employ when an athlete records a suspect but not illegal test.

If even exrunner thinks Kosgei is dirty then you know for sure she must be dirtier than a Calcutta sewer.

casual obsever wrote:

Ask Coleman. It's actually more than 29 in ten years, for he missed three in ten months and got away with it.

That test that was counted as April 1 would have nailed him if in the previous year he had two other tests between April 2 the prior year (although note that the handling of the two types of 'missed tests' are a little different). Across years it is a zero-sum game. And it is not across a calendar year but any rolling 12-month period, so even if you could time them well you could not get that 29 number. Essentially you have to have one every 4 months plus a day or two. Also note that those that are tested often are much more likely to have a failure. Getting quotes about the process from those tested only twice a year must be recognized as not in the same regime effectively (hard to have three missed tests if you are only contacted twice).

Finally, I question the reading comprehension and reasoning skills [spelling skills are also a question given a casual observation on the posting username] of those thinking there is a violation. There was nothing in the comment about it being within a year. She has been at a high level for quite a while and my default would be that it was over that period (e.g., once the WMM and/or WADA(or whatever) started systematic tests. And it is extraordinarily unlikely that it was in a 12-month period because the comment would not have been made. This is fourth-grade stuff; get your stuff together before posting.

really that stupid? wrote:

casual obsever wrote:

Ask Coleman. It's actually more than 29 in ten years, for he missed three in ten months and got away with it.

That test that was counted as April 1 would have nailed him if in the previous year he had two other tests between April 2 the prior year (although note that the handling of the two types of 'missed tests' are a little different). Across years it is a zero-sum game. And it is not across a calendar year but any rolling 12-month period, so even if you could time them well you could not get that 29 number. Essentially you have to have one every 4 months plus a day or two.

Don't forget that only one got backdated. So, pull a Coleman, miss three in ten months with getting the first one "backdated", and then one every four months and 1 day , then you end up with 27 in nine years and 26 days, plus the three in ten months -> 30 "missed tests" in about 9 years 11 months.

But yes, that's only theory of course.

And I also agree that Kosgei most likely missed those three tests in more than twelve months.

really that stupid? wrote:

And it is not across a calendar year but any rolling 12-month period, so even if you could time them well you could not get that 29 number. Essentially you have to have one every 4 months plus a day or two.

If you miss one every 4 month plus a few days, you still would miss 3 (nearly 4) every year. You had to miss one every six month plus at least one day per year.

So if my calculation is right you could theoretically miss 30 in ten years and ten days or 29 in ten years?

Not that it matters much dir the discusion..

Simple math: is you miss at most 2 tests annually for 10 years, then the most you can miss is 2x10=20. Is you miss 21, then for at least one of the years, you miss more than 2

Yeahthatstupid wrote:

really that stupid? wrote:

And it is not across a calendar year but any rolling 12-month period, so even if you could time them well you could not get that 29 number. Essentially you have to have one every 4 months plus a day or two.

If you miss one every 4 month plus a few days, you still would miss 3 (nearly 4) every year. You had to miss one every six month plus at least one day per year.

So if my calculation is right you could theoretically miss 30 in ten years and ten days or 29 in ten years?

Not that it matters much dir the discusion..

Coevett wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

It may also just mean that athletes from Kenya are tested more than others because they're from a country categorised (insultingly) as "most likely to dope".

Yet Kenya had to leave their best 5K runners behind for the World Championships because Kenyan anti-doping couldn't even get round to testing them the obligatory 3 times in 12 months.

No thought they were good enough to be included in the testing pool. I say depth isn't such a bad problem for a country to have.