North Carolina runners aren’t what they used to be.
North Carolina runners aren’t what they used to be.
Didn't care enough? Are you on PCP? Eat a bag of d!cks.
they fought poorly wrote:
You mean the natives who didn't care enough about their land to defend it when invaded? Those natives? The ones who had thousands of years to develop technology and grow armies without interruption from Europe, but were armed with sticks and stones when the boats finally arrived?[/quote]
Lickety Split wrote:
- So happy Chelimo FAILED to qualify ... fake American.
Is he US born?
Lickety Split wrote:
- So happy Chelimo FAILED to qualify ... fake American.
That's a little harsh, but not seeing Chelimo in Doha is fine with me. The last thing I want to see at the Worlds is 20 Kenyans on the starting line all wearing the singlets of different countries.
Paul Chelimo MISSES worlds qualifying standard, CAN NOT go to Worlds without it
How is that a headline?
If he didn't lose by 53 seconds and the entire field missed qualifying because of windy conditions, that would be one thing.
It just looks like failed to earn a spot to me.
That's a little harsh, but not seeing Chelimo in Doha is fine with me. The last thing I want to see at the Worlds is 20 Kenyans on the starting line all wearing the singlets of different countries.[/quote] Chelimo just needs to do more races, look at Alberto Salazar, Mark Nenow and Henry Rono, they all raced a lot more before running low 27:20s: Salazar 82 season:
Indoor 5000
16 JAN 1982 East Rutherford USAUSA F 1. 13:23.08
12 FEB 1982 New York USAUSA F 4. 13:25.16
21 MAR 1982 10th IAAF World Cross Country Championships ITAITA GW F1 2. 33:44.8
Out door 5000
05 JUN 1982 Eugene Prefontaine Classic USAUSA F 2. 13:15.72
06 JUL 1982 Stockholm DN Galan SWESWE GL F 3. 13:11.93
14 JUL 1982 Lausanne Athletissima SUISUI GL F 5. 13:19.69
10 APR 1982 Eugene USAUSA F 2. 27:30.00
26 JUN 1982 Oslo Bislett Games NORNOR GL F 2. 27:25.61
09 JUL 1982 Paris-St-Denis FRAFRA GL F 2. 27:29.06
Mark Nenow:
30 JUN 1986 Belfast GBRGBR F 2. 13:21.33
10 SEP 1986 Roma Golden Gala ITAITA GL F 8. 13:28.66
05 JUL 1986 Oslo Bislett Games NORNOR GL F 2. 27:28.80
05 SEP 1986 Bruxelles Memorial Van Damme BELBEL GL F 1. 27:20.56
Henry Rono 78 season:
Indoor 2 miles:
21 JAN 1978 Los Angeles USAUSA F 2. 8:18.3h
17 FEB 1978 San Diego USAUSA F 3. 8:20.0h
Half marathon
05 FEB 1978 Coamo Sun Blas Half Marathon PURPUR F F 1. 1:04:46
27 JUN 1978 Oslo Bislett Games NORNOR GL F 5:04.50 ST
07 MAY 1978 Westwood USAUSA F 1. 7:43.04
24 MAY 1978 London GBRGBR F 1. 7:43.84
22 JUN 1978 Köln GERGER F 1. 7:41.50
27 JUN 1978 Oslo Bislett Games NORNOR GL F 1. 7:32.1h
05 SEP 1978 Frankfurt GERGER F 3. 7:45.32
12 SEP 1978 Ingelheim FRGFRG F 1. 7:49.28
15 SEP 1978 London GBRGBR F 7:43.2h
01 APR 1978 Pullman USAUSA F F 1. 13:22.7h
08 APR 1978 Berkeley USAUSA F 1. 13:08.4h
20 MAY 1978 Corvallis USAUSA F 1. 13:20.2h
01 JUN 1978 Eugene NCAA USAUSA H2 1. 13:21.8h
24 JUN 1978 London GBRGBR F 1. 13:20.78
01 JUL 1978 Milano ITAITA F 1. 13:18.2h
10 AUG 1978 Edmonton Commonwealth Games CANCAN A F 1. 13:23.04
16 AUG 1978 Zürich Weltklasse SUISUI GL F 1. 13:16.12
10 SEP 1978 Rieti ITAITA B F 1. 13:15.5h
28 JAN 1978 Auckland NZLNZL F 1. 27:48.6h
19 MAY 1978 Corvallis USAUSA F 1. 27:46.6h
11 JUN 1978 Wien AUTAUT F 1. 27:22.47
20 JUL 1978 Algiers All-Africa Games ALGALG F 1. 27:58.9h
09 SEP 1978 London GBRGBR F 1. 27:53.79
15 APR 1978 Eugene USAUSA F 1. 8:14.75
29 APR 1978 Pullman USAUSA F 1. 8:24.4h
13 MAY 1978 Seattle USAUSA F 1. 8:05.4h
01 JUN 1978 Eugene NCAA USAUSA H1 1. 8:18.60
03 JUN 1978 Eugene NCAA USAUSA F 1. 8:12.39
17 JUN 1978 Mombasa KENKEN F 1. 8:16.2h
28 JUN 1978 Helsinki FINFIN F 1. 8:16.8h
25 JUL 1978 Algiers All-Africa Games ALGALG F 1. 8:15.82
06 AUG 1978 Edmonton Commonwealth Games CANCAN A H1 1. 8:26.3h
07 SEP 1978 Koblenz GERGER F 2. 8:17.51
Perfect, thanks!
Star wrote:
Paul Chelimo MISSES worlds qualifying standard, CAN NOT go to Worlds without it
How is that a headline?
If he didn't lose by 53 seconds and the entire field missed qualifying because of windy conditions, that would be one thing.
It just looks like failed to earn a spot to me.
How is it NOT a headline? A world class runner failing to qualify.
LetsRun.com wrote:
With windy conditions in Stockholm tonight only 4 people hit the automatic qualifying standard for the World Champs of 27:40. And the IAAF has said in the 10,000m they will not fill the field with athletes who don't have the standard.
Tonight's run means Paul Chelimo will not be able to do the 5,000/10,000 double as he won't be in the race unless he gets the standard somewhere else.
Julian Wanders who had a nice run and set a national record in 6th won't be going either.
As it currently stands Worlds will comprise 19 athletes in the men's 10,000m plus possibly a few more.
3 each from these countries: Kenyan, Ethiopian, Uganda, Burundi (who got 3 men at top 15 at World Cross) who all will have presumably qualified this year.
Eritrea's Aron Kifle also qualified tonight and at World Cross.
And then you'll have 6 athletes who qualified last year:
Canadian (Mo Ahmed), Kiwi (Jake Robertson), German (Richard Ringer), a Frenchman (Morhad Amdouni), a Bahraini (Hassan Chani), and American (Shadrack Kipchirchir).
hey, why not organize a letsrun 10k, Q race, and get pacers that have a clue, like some guys to take it to 3k, and a couple of other guys to take it to 5 or 6 k, and the wannabe qualifiers can take it from there. make a deal with some tv outfit for broadcast rights or stream it live in your site.
make track great again.
(we get it their aren't many 10ks, but letting athletes who may not be fit run is always iffy).
If everyone runs that is 19 runners. The goal field size was 27. Presumably a few more will qualify on time. There also is a provision to allow area champions to run (European and NACAC for example) so that would mean Lopez Lomong could get a bid but "the entry will be subject to the approval of the Technical Delegates, based on the athlete’s level."
Our quick take is instead of going off a Championship from a year ago, the IAAF should fill the fields either off of World Rankings or this years descending order list.
Results from tonight:
POS ATHLETE COUNTRY MARK
1 Rhonex KIPRUTO KEN KEN 26:50.16
2 Hagos GEBRHIWET ETH ETH 27:01.02
3 Aron KIFLE ERI ERI 27:27.68
4 Mogos TUEMAY ETH ETH 27:34.36
***********
5 Paul CHELIMO USA USA 27:43.89
6 Julien WANDERS SUI SUI 27:44.36
7 Amos KURGAT KEN KEN 27:48.15
8 Kirubel ERASSA USA USA 27:52.75
9 Ali KAYA TUR TUR 27:53.39
10 Timothy TOROITICH UGA UGA 28:06.87
11 Awet HABTE ERI ERI 28:11.12
12 Charles MUNERIA KEN KEN 28:13.91
13 Soufiane BOUCHIKHI BEL BEL 28:20.97
14 Shadrack KIPCHIRCHIR USA USA 28:21.26
15 Leonard KORIR USA USA 28:23.00
16 Juan Antonio PÉREZ ESP ESP 28:27.14
17 Peter KIPROTICH KEN KEN 28:32.78
18 Amanal PETROS GER GER 28:42.59
19 Aras KAYA TUR TUR 28:49.21
20 Vincent Kipsang RONO KEN KEN 29:01.82
21 Robel FSIHA SWE SWE 29:15.45
22 Juan Luis BARRIOS MEX MEX 29:26.99
Gevin KERICH KEN KEN DNF
Isaac KIPSANG KEN KEN DNF
Kelvin KIPTUM KEN KEN DNF
Jemal Yimer MEKONNEN ETH ETH DNF
Napoleon SOLOMON SWE SWE DNF
LetsRun.com wrote:
With windy conditions in Stockholm tonight only 4 people hit the automatic qualifying standard for the World Champs of 27:40. And the IAAF has said in the 10,000m they will not fill the field with athletes who don't have the standard.
Tonight's run means Paul Chelimo will not be able to do the 5,000/10,000 double as he won't be in the race unless he gets the standard somewhere else.
Julian Wanders who had a nice run and set a national record in 6th won't be going either.
As it currently stands Worlds will comprise 19 athletes in the men's 10,000m plus possibly a few more.
3 each from these countries: Kenyan, Ethiopian, Uganda, Burundi (who got 3 men at top 15 at World Cross) who all will have presumably qualified this year.
Eritrea's Aron Kifle also qualified tonight and at World Cross.
And then you'll have 6 athletes who qualified last year:
Canadian (Mo Ahmed), Kiwi (Jake Robertson), German (Richard Ringer), a Frenchman (Morhad Amdouni), a Bahraini (Hassan Chani), and American (Shadrack Kipchirchir).
(we get it their aren't many 10ks, but letting athletes who may not be fit run is always iffy).
If everyone runs that is 19 runners. The goal field size was 27. Presumably a few more will qualify on time. There also is a provision to allow area champions to run (European and NACAC for example) so that would mean Lopez Lomong could get a bid but "the entry will be subject to the approval of the Technical Delegates, based on the athlete’s level."
Our quick take is instead of going off a Championship from a year ago, the IAAF should fill the fields either off of World Rankings or this years descending order list.
Results from tonight:
POS ATHLETE COUNTRY MARK
1 Rhonex KIPRUTO KEN KEN 26:50.16
2 Hagos GEBRHIWET ETH ETH 27:01.02
3 Aron KIFLE ERI ERI 27:27.68
4 Mogos TUEMAY ETH ETH 27:34.36
***********
5 Paul CHELIMO USA USA 27:43.89
6 Julien WANDERS SUI SUI 27:44.36
7 Amos KURGAT KEN KEN 27:48.15
8 Kirubel ERASSA USA USA 27:52.75
9 Ali KAYA TUR TUR 27:53.39
10 Timothy TOROITICH UGA UGA 28:06.87
11 Awet HABTE ERI ERI 28:11.12
12 Charles MUNERIA KEN KEN 28:13.91
13 Soufiane BOUCHIKHI BEL BEL 28:20.97
14 Shadrack KIPCHIRCHIR USA USA 28:21.26
15 Leonard KORIR USA USA 28:23.00
16 Juan Antonio PÉREZ ESP ESP 28:27.14
17 Peter KIPROTICH KEN KEN 28:32.78
18 Amanal PETROS GER GER 28:42.59
19 Aras KAYA TUR TUR 28:49.21
20 Vincent Kipsang RONO KEN KEN 29:01.82
21 Robel FSIHA SWE SWE 29:15.45
22 Juan Luis BARRIOS MEX MEX 29:26.99
Gevin KERICH KEN KEN DNF
Isaac KIPSANG KEN KEN DNF
Kelvin KIPTUM KEN KEN DNF
Jemal Yimer MEKONNEN ETH ETH DNF
Napoleon SOLOMON SWE SWE DNF
hey, why not organize a letsrun 10k, Q race, and get pacers that have a clue, like some guys to take it to 3k, and a couple of other guys to take it to 5 or 6 k, and the wannabe qualifiers can take it from there. make a deal with some tv outfit for broadcast rights or stream it live in your site.
make track great again.
Bad Wigins wrote:
LetsRun.com wrote:
Our quick take is instead of going off a Championship from a year ago, the IAAF should fill the fields either off of World Rankings or this years descending order list.
Instead of going off a Championship, they should ditch the concept of "championship" entirely and hand out a fat bonus to the top 5 performers of the year and medals to the top 3.
Nobody wants to see a sit and kick 10,000! It is a joke event and makes the sport look stupid to non fans, and the fans who make excuses for it make the sport look even stupider.
Everyone wants to see a fast 10000!!! Which do people post more of here: Bekele's fast races, or Mo's 27:30 wins? The fact that Kipruto and Gebrhiwet just went really fast in bad conditions is a bigger deal than whatever the WC result will be, unless it's one of the rare 27 flats. Unfortunately, thanks to everyone gunning for the WC, there likely won't be any more fast 10000's before then. As far as I'm concerned, this was the "champs" and Kipruto won.
What about Mo's 26:50 in London in 2017? That race had it all, fast pace, big kick, surges, drama. Sit and kick 10000's really are underwhelming, but sometimes the championships can really produce an incredibly dramatic and intriguing race. Bekele vs Tedese in 2009, Mo vs all of Africa in 2017, Paul Tergat vs Haile in 2000, etc (There's a lot more than just that). The WC this year could line up to produce something really special, why wouldn't we want to see that? Kipruto vs. Gebrhiwet vs The young Ugandans (and maybe a Kamworor looking for redemption after WXC), all of these guys will be looking to become the new king of the 10000 after Mo, and all of them have shown they will go at it HARD and probably make it a really fast and exciting race.
I really hope the 10000 remains a championship event. Sure maybe it doesn't make sense to run a 10000 at every diamond league, or even a 5000 at every one either, but we at least need to have a couple quick 10000s and get these young and incredibly fast runners off the roads and onto the track for the summer becuase it makes for an incredibly entertaining WC or OLY 10000 to have a little hype surrounding the event beforehand.
Also from an anti doping perspective, doesn't it make sense to keep the top young East African's out of obscure road races that may or may not have any good testing and put them on a European Circuit where, not only can fans consistently get to watch intriguing races, but these crazy fast young runners will be subject to more consistent testing? Killing the 5 and 10 seems bad not only because distance fans can't watch good races, but because we send the talent to obscure middle eastern road races with short courses and no testing.
You guys act like there isn't another 10,000m until USATF. There's a 10,000m at the Portland Track Festival next Saturday. Duh.
dusty_xc wrote:
sometimes the championships can really produce an incredibly dramatic and intriguing race. Bekele vs Tedese in 2009, Mo vs all of Africa in 2017, Paul Tergat vs Haile in 2000, etc (There's a lot more than just that).
No, there's not a lot more. There's 1987 in Rome, Munich 1972, that's about it.
A 10,000 turning out fast is a long shot at best, even with pacemakers. So it makes no sense for the competition model to focus on just one event with everyone peaking at the same time at the end of the season. That discourages any other fast races from happening, and limits the sport's exposure and fan interest.
Every race needs to count, and not just by chasing qualifying standards, which the best runners do easily. If every single meet is a title shot, people will have an incentive to watch them all.
longjack wrote:
LetsRun.com wrote:
With windy conditions in Stockholm tonight only 4 people hit the automatic qualifying standard for the World Champs of 27:40. And the IAAF has said in the 10,000m they will not fill the field with athletes who don't have the standard.
Tonight's run means Paul Chelimo will not be able to do the 5,000/10,000 double as he won't be in the race unless he gets the standard somewhere else.
Julian Wanders who had a nice run and set a national record in 6th won't be going either.
As it currently stands Worlds will comprise 19 athletes in the men's 10,000m plus possibly a few more.
3 each from these countries: Kenyan, Ethiopian, Uganda, Burundi (who got 3 men at top 15 at World Cross) who all will have presumably qualified this year.
Eritrea's Aron Kifle also qualified tonight and at World Cross.
And then you'll have 6 athletes who qualified last year:
Canadian (Mo Ahmed), Kiwi (Jake Robertson), German (Richard Ringer), a Frenchman (Morhad Amdouni), a Bahraini (Hassan Chani), and American (Shadrack Kipchirchir).
(we get it their aren't many 10ks, but letting athletes who may not be fit run is always iffy).
If everyone runs that is 19 runners. The goal field size was 27. Presumably a few more will qualify on time. There also is a provision to allow area champions to run (European and NACAC for example) so that would mean Lopez Lomong could get a bid but "the entry will be subject to the approval of the Technical Delegates, based on the athlete’s level."
Our quick take is instead of going off a Championship from a year ago, the IAAF should fill the fields either off of World Rankings or this years descending order list.
Results from tonight:
POS ATHLETE COUNTRY MARK
1 Rhonex KIPRUTO KEN KEN 26:50.16
2 Hagos GEBRHIWET ETH ETH 27:01.02
3 Aron KIFLE ERI ERI 27:27.68
4 Mogos TUEMAY ETH ETH 27:34.36
***********
5 Paul CHELIMO USA USA 27:43.89
6 Julien WANDERS SUI SUI 27:44.36
7 Amos KURGAT KEN KEN 27:48.15
8 Kirubel ERASSA USA USA 27:52.75
9 Ali KAYA TUR TUR 27:53.39
10 Timothy TOROITICH UGA UGA 28:06.87
11 Awet HABTE ERI ERI 28:11.12
12 Charles MUNERIA KEN KEN 28:13.91
13 Soufiane BOUCHIKHI BEL BEL 28:20.97
14 Shadrack KIPCHIRCHIR USA USA 28:21.26
15 Leonard KORIR USA USA 28:23.00
16 Juan Antonio PÉREZ ESP ESP 28:27.14
17 Peter KIPROTICH KEN KEN 28:32.78
18 Amanal PETROS GER GER 28:42.59
19 Aras KAYA TUR TUR 28:49.21
20 Vincent Kipsang RONO KEN KEN 29:01.82
21 Robel FSIHA SWE SWE 29:15.45
22 Juan Luis BARRIOS MEX MEX 29:26.99
Gevin KERICH KEN KEN DNF
Isaac KIPSANG KEN KEN DNF
Kelvin KIPTUM KEN KEN DNF
Jemal Yimer MEKONNEN ETH ETH DNF
Napoleon SOLOMON SWE SWE DNF
hey, why not organize a letsrun 10k, Q race, and get pacers that have a clue, like some guys to take it to 3k, and a couple of other guys to take it to 5 or 6 k, and the wannabe qualifiers can take it from there. make a deal with some tv outfit for broadcast rights or stream it live in your site.
make track great again.
Because it's LRC -- it's much easier to complain about the sport, slam one of the best US runners, & feel like you're doing a lot for the sport. You would think someone died the way they covered this 10k. They should have made a bigger deal about a 26:50 in awful conditions and used that to advocate for the 10k to stay but instead they just slam anything and everything without solutions. Set up your own race. Sponsor a race. Pay for pacers. Reach out to the IAAF to ask about pacing. Be journalists. Reach out to the runners. Let's hear from Chelimo about the race. I'm sure there are still things he took away from the race. It doesn't seem like he has done a ton of workouts so maybe the goal was 27:40 and he wants to get to 27ish shape by Worlds. Much easier to complain tho, I understand.
Hardloper wrote:
How is it NOT a headline? A world class runner failing to qualify.
That's "former world class runner." The headline is as illogical as saying "champion loses tournament."
Lickety Split wrote:
- So happy Chelimo FAILED to qualify ... fake American.
LR should really ban users like this. The dude has been in america for at least ten years and served in the military AND got us a silver medal. What have you done for the country? Where is your family from smh. You are the type of people to say people who go the army are fake americans but then say someone like grant fisher is a real american and praise the ingebrigsten family.
Lickety Split wrote:
- So happy Chelimo FAILED to qualify ... fake American.
You waiting for another Billy Mills?
Hardloper wrote:
Star wrote:
Paul Chelimo MISSES worlds qualifying standard, CAN NOT go to Worlds without it
How is that a headline?
If he didn't lose by 53 seconds and the entire field missed qualifying because of windy conditions, that would be one thing.
It just looks like failed to earn a spot to me.
How is it NOT a headline? A world class runner failing to qualify.
Perhaps he is not the world class athlete you thin h e is right now?
Or that he was.
Its not the conditions that failed him, there were many ahead of him.
crumpetsausage wrote:
Lickety Split wrote:
- So happy Chelimo FAILED to qualify ... fake American.
You waiting for another Billy Mills?
Only real American medalist ever. All the others are fakes.