Official 2019 USATF 25k Champs Discussion Thread. Parker Stinson breaks the American record!

Top Ten wrote:

Tyler McCandless in 4th.

Scott Smith in 2nd about 1 min 18 seconds behind Stinson.

3rd and 5-10th I’ve never heard of...and I’m fairly in tune with what’s going on.

3 - Kiya Dadena. Trains in Flagstaff. Ran 2:12 at CIM in 2017. Was briefly with NAZ Elite at the end of last year start of this year.

5 - Willie Milam. Out of Boulder with Roots Running. Just won Eugene half.

6 - Will Nation. Was sponsored by Skechers for a bit. Lives in TX. Think he is part of the tracksmith sponsorship now.

7 - Danny Docherty. Was with Team USA Minnesota. Ran OTQ in marathon at Houston this year. 19th at Cherry Blossom.

8 - Andy Wacker. Boulder. Ran at CU. Mixes up trails and roads.

9 - Mick Iacofano. Used to be in Boulder, trains with Idaho Distance Project. Ran a very quick marathon debut at CIM last December.

10 - Mark Leininger. Used to be ASISC GTC elite. Trains in NJ now.

Women

1 - Emma Bates 2 - Sara Hall

3 - Molly Bookmeyer. Columbus, OH. IMO the most non talked about runner in the field. She has a great story. Ran at Ohio State. Found out she had a brain tumor. Had multiple surgeries. Started running again a few years ago. Went for OTQ at CIM, didn't get it due to illness. Went for marathon OTQ at Houston, got it by about a minute. Since then, she's been runner up at Shamrock Shuffle, won her local half marathon in a quick time, then turns in this 3rd place performance. She has a huge upside and I'm super pumped to see her run well.

4 - Molly Grabill. Boulder. Ran at Oregon. Trains with the Nomad Group.

5 - Dakotah Lindwurm. Team USA Minnesota.

6 - Lexi Zeis. Roots Running Project out of Boulder.

7 - Maddie Van Beek. Ran at NDSU. Has a cool haircut.

8 - Kelsey Bruce. Ran at a smaller college in TX. LRC sent her to World XC.

9 - Megan Lacy. Trains with the Idaho Distance Proj.

10 - Allison Cleaver - Runs for Rabbit. Trains in Austin.

Olympic 25K Gold Medal wrote:

Another parallel with Cabada.

Oof.

NewtotheSouthSide wrote:

I don't know how much folks love the course in Pittsburgh. I think, since people don't always race the half a ton, that it'd be beneficial to put the Champs on a faster course.

After Pittsburgh, almost every elite in the elite tent was speculating (whining?) about how slow the course was. I laughed. People were saying 1:30-2:00 slow. Laughable...

Molly has been on an absolute tear! Super happy to see her doing well. I think she went through her half here pretty close to what she did at Cap City.

bhxcbn wrote:

YMMV wrote:

= 61:15 HM, 2:11:15 per IAAF, WMA tables. Decent, but nothing near 2:08 (VDOT is just plain wrong on road times)

If you can run 61:15, you shoyld be able to run faster than 2:11

It might be worth sub-2:10, but there's no chance it's 2:08.

the sands wrote:

He ran 13:31 for 5000m in 2013 just after he turned 21.

He won the US 12k in 34:19 in 2014.

He ran 27:54 for 10000m in 2015.

And, until today, those might have been his best performances.

He has caught flak and not been given slack, over the ensuing years, because he showed unfulfilled talent.

He's caught flak (rightly) for frequently racing in stunningly stupid fashion (especially in his marathons, thus far).

It sounds like he may have raced a bunch less stupidly today, which is great, but I'd like to see the splits, cuz it sounds like he still had lot of people thinking he went out stupidly fast once again.

In any case, it's a much better result, so props to Parker.

ThatAverageRunner wrote:

kmaclam wrote:

So 6 days after USATF 21.1K (Half Marathon Champs in Pgh), we have USATF 25K Champs!? You can't make this stuff up. A 13 mile Championship race followed 6 days later by a 15 mile Championship race. Why not just hold them on back to back days in the same city and save these indigent runners some cash?

Is there a 30k championship? That makes more sense than having 25k when you already have a ~21k championship.

Seriously, 30k makes a lot more sense as a useful distance. Nobody cares about 25k - what's the point of this record? 30k is an actual distance some people run. This has as much bearing as the 25.1km or the 25.2km racing distance.

Obviously everything is arbitrary but this takes it to the extreme.

Now clearly Stinson is a good runner, but if he broke 1 hr for the half then we have something to talk about. Looks like he was around 1:02 for the half.

Congratulations Parker! You really Stinsoned the 25K today!

Come on Hansons. Step up and sponsor this Molly girl. She is a Midwest girl with a great backstory. She deserves something.

BoiseStrong wrote:

Emma Bates new fav American female runner

Bates will be in the mix to make the Marathon ten next year for sure.

What shoes does this Stinson guy wear?

Let's move on wrote:

ThatAverageRunner wrote:

Is there a 30k championship? That makes more sense than having 25k when you already have a ~21k championship.

Seriously, 30k makes a lot more sense as a useful distance. Nobody cares about 25k - what's the point of this record? 30k is an actual distance some people run. This has as much bearing as the 25.1km or the 25.2km racing distance.

Obviously everything is arbitrary but this takes it to the extreme.

Now clearly Stinson is a good runner, but if he broke 1 hr for the half then we have something to talk about. Looks like he was around 1:02 for the half.

I think you guys are misunderstanding how the USATF road championship circuit works. While the title “ national championship” is awarded by USATF, the races are all organized and funded locally (and independently of each other). Usatf’s incentive is to have as many championship distances as possible to promote the sport, create a larger prize money pool for really-good-but-not-quite-top-tier Americans, and (cynically) to collect more fees from the different races.

Basically, if you are the race director of the Nowwheresville 6.85 mile road race, you can pretty much put up the required prize money and fill out some paperwork and USATF will name your race the national 6.85 mile championship. Similarly, I’m almost certain that if you organized and funded a 30k race, you could get it named the national 30k champs. The Amway/5th/3rd race has historically been 25k, and I’m sure the organizers have their reasons for keeping it this distance.

Oh, you know, just another shoe that’s not available to the public. How strange that the Brojos have once again failed to show any concern about someone winning in an unavailable shoe...oh wait, it’s not Nike so they don’t care. But I suppose if it doesn’t fit your agenda then you wouldn’t make it a talking point.

bennyhesh wrote:

What shoes does this Stinson guy wear?

what are you talking about? wrote:

Can Stinson Stinson the race and still win?

He did. I am surprised, earned my respect. Hats off Parker.

I'm sure your respect means a lot to him.

Not trying to rain on anyone's parade, but here are some facts.

Fernando Cabada set the AR for 25k

Mo Trafeh breaks it

Christo Landry breaks it.

Today Parker Stinson breaks it.

Not one of these athletes has run a good marathon.

Not one of these athletes has run the 2:11:30 which is the current Olympic Standard

THE 25K IS MEANINGLESS FOR MARATHON SUCCESS

No one of note runs the USATFroad circuit anymore

Donald Downer wrote:

Not trying to rain on anyone's parade, but here are some facts.

Fernando Cabada set the AR for 25k

Mo Trafeh breaks it

Christo Landry breaks it.

Today Parker Stinson breaks it.

Not one of these athletes has run a good marathon.

Not one of these athletes has run the 2:11:30 which is the current Olympic Standard

THE 25K IS MEANINGLESS FOR MARATHON SUCCESS

When cabada and christo broke the record they were in a race with Kenyans who beat them and they were towed along.

Meanwhile stinson broke their time by 30 seconds leading every step of the way alone. Nice try though troll

PuddleJump Henry wrote:

Oh, you know, just another shoe that’s not available to the public. How strange that the Brojos have once again failed to show any concern about someone winning in an unavailable shoe...oh wait, it’s not Nike so they don’t care. But I suppose if it doesn’t fit your agenda then you wouldn’t make it a talking point.

bennyhesh wrote:

What shoes does this Stinson guy wear?

Was he not wearing the Fastwich 9 like in Houston?