Asbel Kiprop will get off without a ban

asdfghjkl wrote:

If the facts in this article are true Asbel Kiprop may get off with no ban at all. Everyone assumed he was guilty and that was it after his test came back positive but after reading the article there is a real chance he may have been clean at the time of testing. Seems odd for someone if he knew he was guilty to be so adamant that he didn't do anything wrong and stand by his story.

https://www.the-star.co.ke/sports/2019-03-23-kiprop-maintains-his-innocence-before-iaafaiu-tribunal/

Innocent? He basically admitted the usual for him was bribing officials. He's a cheat.

Bad Wigins wrote:

The effects of EPO only last 3 months, is why testers might not want to target someone 7 months out. Get 'em 2 months out.

I'd also hazard a guess that epo taken during the winter is useless as a blood booster for summer competition because overall blood volume is much lower. As the seasons change, it increases and that's when there's room for lots more RBC's.

Kiprop is always (micro) doping to have a stable off score but someone turned up at the right time to catch him with epo in his urine test sample.

Angel Heredia stated that the epo he was distributing around this time decayed in samples in a randomly asymmetric fashion, meaning an A & B sample when compared after a period of time would look completely different. Going by Jones's sophistication, she was likely using this.

Subway Surfers wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

The effects of EPO only last 3 months, is why testers might not want to target someone 7 months out. Get 'em 2 months out.

I'd also hazard a guess that epo taken during the winter is useless as a blood booster for summer competition because overall blood volume is much lower. As the seasons change, it increases and that's when there's room for lots more RBC's.

Kiprop is always (micro) doping to have a stable off score but someone turned up at the right time to catch him with epo in his urine test sample.

Precisely.

I suspect nothing is keeping him from taking massive doses of epo during the investigation so that he is in wr shape when the ban is overturned.

Now That's Telling It Like It Is wrote:

Subway Surfers wrote:

Kiprop is always (micro) doping to have a stable off score but someone turned up at the right time to catch him with epo in his urine test sample.

Precisely.

+1

That's not exactly a new procedure, but well established since at least 2009.

Also, of course it helps to be fast and strong - i.e. doped - during base training, not just during competition, so doping year-round is standard since decades. Note that OOC testing (however minuscule initially) began in the 80s for that reason.

A man's reputation is at stake here wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

Some shady Brit (Paul Scott) accompanied by a dubious Kenyan (Simon Karugu). Both were disowned by ADAK so Kenya wasn’t responsible for that shambolic process.

https://twitter.com/ade_adedoyin/status/992400891998240770?s=21https://twitter.com/michkatami/status/992374174705487872?s=21

Looking more and more like a fix, if you ask me.

Legal question: If Kiprop is found not guilty of using EPO due to some unscrupulous behavior by the testers;fixing the sample as you say (i.e. corruption) can he sue the pants off of the AIU or what agency is responsible for for defamation of character, any hardship put on him, any projected loss of $$$, etc?

Technically, yes. But Kenyans, generally, are not as litigious as Westerners.

El Keniano wrote:

A man's reputation is at stake here wrote:

Legal question: If Kiprop is found not guilty of using EPO due to some unscrupulous behavior by the testers;fixing the sample as you say (i.e. corruption) can he sue the pants off of the AIU or what agency is responsible for for defamation of character, any hardship put on him, any projected loss of $$$, etc?

Technically, yes. But Kenyans, generally, are not as litigious as Westerners.

Are you sure? What court would he sue in?

I don't understand the time frame argument. His lawyers state that he didn't have a meet for seven months therefore would not have been doping. Later they state that EPO stays in your system for three months. Using that logic the EPO he tested positive for could have been taken as far back as late summer when he was in competition.

This argument is completely and totally irrelevant for determining his guilt or innocence. This is part of a throw it at all wall and see what sticks argument.

This does not make sense wrote:

I don't understand the time frame argument. His lawyers state that he didn't have a meet for seven months therefore would not have been doping. Later they state that EPO stays in your system for three months. Using that logic the EPO he tested positive for could have been taken as far back as late summer when he was in competition.

First of all I respect Kenya’s running legacy, so my criticism is purely on the basis of “where there’s smoke, there’s fire” in terms of athletes doping and corruption by the federations and/or anti-doping agencies. I whole-heartedly believe bribes are being paid.

What I don’t believe is that in a corrupt system lower-level bribe takers (say, test administrators) would be permitted to unilaterally extort money from a truly clean athlete who, when they don’t pay a bribe, would have their samples tampered with by low-level agents as a form of retribution. If that’s what happened to Kiprop, then it was an aberration in a system where everyone benefits from a status quo and where a positive test costs everyone.

I was just holding it for a friend wrote:

Is there any proof that the sample was spiked?

Apparently EPO ended up in his sample. That means he is presumptively guilty of doping and has a high hurdle to overcome to convince the panel overwise. Kiprop is not much of a hurdler.

au contraire, AK had no problem getting his leg over when he was cheating with his mate's wife.

whatZapp wrote:

Huh, had missed that these two clowns were not from ADAK. It's all the more suprising that they gave advance notice and asked for a bribe !

What about the 22/11 and 29/11 tests, who did them ?

Yeah, this is worth knowing. Who did those tests?

Tell me El K, is this Team NN the running equivalent of cycling's Team SKY?

Subway Surfers wrote:

Tell me El K, is this Team NN the running equivalent of cycling's Team SKY?

No. Nope. Nyet! Couldn’t be more different. Other than facilitating conducive training environments for a diverse variety of groups spread out over several countries, there appears to be little to no interference in the athletes’ programs. Don’t even try to tar them with the same brush.