Does this race even have prize money? The race's website is fairly vague.
Does this race even have prize money? The race's website is fairly vague.
You can't spell Kiptemboi without EPO. This is me been witty. 10/10
62:03 previous best
but now can do negative split split
62:53/62:28
so according to hansons calculator his 62 gives him about a 2:09, and his 2:05 gives a prediction of a 60 half
someone want to do the % gain?
m!ndweak wrote:
62:03 previous best
but now can do negative split split
62:53/62:28
so according to hansons calculator his 62 gives him about a 2:09, and his 2:05 gives a prediction of a 60 half
someone want to do the % gain?
Time for my brains to shine. I can answer you mindweak. 2.03/60 is 0.0338 so the percentage gain is literally 3.38%.
The Fap Scientist wrote:
It appears there has been a group of East African dopers training together for YEARS at this point and not racing, they are slowly emerging from their cave after a number of years of doping without being part of any kind of testing pool. I'm not even shocked.
I called it many years ago:
"Again, the frontier is the doping of juniors and youth before they hit the adult ranks. We see the beginnings of this many decades ago, and it has continued to this day, not only with examples from Chinese swimming, but with the recent Jamaican positive tests.
DOPING IN JUNIORS AND YOUTH IS THE REAL, BIG, AND DIFFICULT PROBLEM." -July 2013
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=5293266&page=2#ixzz3vZCx3ghwI laid it out in detail years before that 2013 post. The pots are big enough in marathon that it is worth it even if they compete and win only one single time.
And for the money available to anti-doping right now, there is absolutely nothing that can, or will be, done about it.
Banana Bread wrote:
m!ndweak wrote:
62:03 previous best
but now can do negative split split
62:53/62:28
so according to hansons calculator his 62 gives him about a 2:09, and his 2:05 gives a prediction of a 60 half
someone want to do the % gain?
Time for my brains to shine. I can answer you mindweak. 2.03/60 is 0.0338 so the percentage gain is literally 3.38%.
3.38 huh...hmmm wonder where that one guy with the something science degree is? im sure he will somehow show us all how its actually less than 1%
Don't even need to be juniors, just slow enough to stay off the WADA radar, then explode as "one-off wonders". See: Guye Adola.
upscale wrote:
Don't even need to be juniors, just slow enough to stay off the WADA radar, then explode as "one-off wonders". See: Guye Adola.
Yes that is true. It is better yet to not declare eligibility as an adult until "ready", then a strategic marathon placement.
Sprintgeezer wrote:
upscale wrote:
Don't even need to be juniors, just slow enough to stay off the WADA radar, then explode as "one-off wonders". See: Guye Adola.
Yes that is true. It is better yet to not declare eligibility as an adult until "ready", then a strategic marathon placement.
yeah i wonder what kind of appearance fees a 2:05:20 on a slow as balls course can command? then boom dude shows up at say london this april....he will be awarded some big time money, go out with the leaders hold on till 30-35k and "die" and run a 2:09 so he wont get tested....or he could be a moran and run all the way to the tap for a 2nd or surprise win, then go home sumgong jeptoo devastated
Oficially, the race doesn't have prize money. They paid transportation, hotel, food and modest appearance fees to the Kenyans managed by Federico Rosa.
The rest of the elite field were competing for South American championship, so no prize money for them. They received trophies and the IAAF certified course in order to achieve the standard for Pan American Games marathon next year (in Lima, Peru) which is 2:16:00 for mens and 2:37:00 for womens
Link to the entire race.
I love CT but CT doesn't love my allergies wrote:
Kenya believe it? wrote:
Hey El K
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0ej5k_SxUsYore welcome.
Did you even watch that Coevett?
lol
I will watch it tomorrow. Doubt if it will tell me anything I didn't know or suspect already.
Since I've been away it seems the majority of the board have finally accepted that most Kenyans are cheating dopers.
So I'm no longer needed. Plus my brother (no interest in athletics at all) posted a pic on Facebook the other day of himself with Seb Coe.
? umm you obviously cant read can you?
it was HIS debut so how the f*ck would he be able to negotiate any appearance fees anyways? what i was asking
"how much is a runners appearance fees worth, when they debut a 2:05:20 on a brutal course?"
i didnt make any claim that he made appearance money at this rate you nim twit....but now that he has a fast time on a brutal course, how much is he WORTH when he negotiates at the big races?
oh and coevett i figured you got banned, what was it a month probation? dont worry rek, renato and elK still have their agenda, but ex runner has been silent, i wonder if he got a ban as well?
and back to my other point, 2:09 worth ability, now runs 2:05 on a slow course....let me guess Rosa finally got the secret training manual from his arch nemesis renato!! ooooo ahhhhhh the two self proclaimed greatest coaches in the world!!
I like that piece of journalism because it shows the beauty of the country as well as the poverty and the desperate situation some athletes are in, which is directly linked to the doping problem. Canova is right when he says that some athletes are literally down to just a meal a day and don't eat enough for proper training. There surely still are many of the same doping mills depicted in the report. Just because AKAD was formed does not mean that they have swept through every pharmacy and clinic and suspect doctor and foreign agent with drugs, and Kenya had a bunch of positive tests this year, but corruption is still there in the testing process, as the Kiprop situation showed.
m!ndweak wrote:
62:03 previous best
but now can do negative split split
62:53/62:28
so according to hansons calculator his 62 gives him about a 2:09, and his 2:05 gives a prediction of a 60 half
someone want to do the % gain?
Your logic is amazing, Chad.
I remember running 17:08 for 5k. The following year I ran 34:12 for 10k.
According to you, I doped. That's the only possible explanation!
Amazing logic, really...
Anyone at the elite level shows some progress and boom! DOPER!
You don't know what you're talking about.
tryrty wrote:
m!ndweak wrote:
62:03 previous best
but now can do negative split split
62:53/62:28
so according to hansons calculator his 62 gives him about a 2:09, and his 2:05 gives a prediction of a 60 half
someone want to do the % gain?
Your logic is amazing, Chad.
I remember running 17:08 for 5k. The following year I ran 34:12 for 10k.
According to you, I doped. That's the only possible explanation!
Amazing logic, really...
Anyone at the elite level shows some progress and boom! DOPER!
You don't know what you're talking about.
It's not the progress that is suspicious. But the fact we have someone who came out of nowhere to run this time. If he would have let's a say a 13:20/high 27-low 28 min 10k at altitude and a sub 60 min half marathon at sea level with several years of running these times than I would be less suspicious. Look at Geoffrey Mutai progression as a example of a clean(or someone who I think is natural) Kenyan runner who progressed in a way that most natties do.
tryrty wrote:
m!ndweak wrote:
62:03 previous best
but now can do negative split split
62:53/62:28
so according to hansons calculator his 62 gives him about a 2:09, and his 2:05 gives a prediction of a 60 half
someone want to do the % gain?
Your logic is amazing, Chad.
I remember running 17:08 for 5k. The following year I ran 34:12 for 10k.
According to you, I doped. That's the only possible explanation!
Amazing logic, really...
Anyone at the elite level shows some progress and boom! DOPER!
You don't know what you're talking about.
I don't think that's very analogous
Considering we have seen what the human body can do, you have A LOT more room for improvement if your baseline is a 17:08 5k. There's not much upside when you're talking about a 62 min half marathon. So yes, what he did was spectacular in that he almost ran his half pb back to back, but it's a lot easier to take a 17:08 guy to a 34:12 10k guy, than a 62 half guy to a 2:05.
By the way, you never even stated your age or possible differences in training that contributed to your rapid improvement so it's hard to analogize it in the first place.
m!ndweak wrote:
62:03 previous best
but now can do negative split split
62:53/62:28
so according to hansons calculator his 62 gives him about a 2:09, and his 2:05 gives a prediction of a 60 half
someone want to do the % gain?
It's the equivalent of 59-low or a 4.7% improvement.
Subway Surfers wrote:
m!ndweak wrote:
62:03 previous best
but now can do negative split split
62:53/62:28
so according to hansons calculator his 62 gives him about a 2:09, and his 2:05 gives a prediction of a 60 half
someone want to do the % gain?
It's the equivalent of 59-low or a 4.7% improvement.
Makes me wonder???
1. Running a fast time isn't evidence of doping. Failing a test Is!
2. Running a slow time isn't evidence of not doping!
3. Being previously unknown to LR is irrelevant.
4. Some currently unknown people will run fast times. There are literally thousands of runners chasing the elite running dream. Some will succeed.
IAAF Profile as Emmanuel Saina at
https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/kenya/emmanuel-saina-392988
Not much there although they do have the 2:05 listed.