Kipyegon Bett Tests Positive for EPO

I like Ethiopian Runners wrote:

Phantasy Star wrote:

Remove cheater Bett from the 2017 World results and you'll see Europeans go 1-2-3. So much for "natural" African dominance.

These Kenyan EPO busts are nothing short of delightful. Waiting patiently for the day the Ethiopians begin dropping like flies as well. LIFEFUEL.

You might be waiting a very long time because Ethiopians are not testing positive at all or they're clean & green unlike their neighbors to the South. IMO, I think it's a pretty good bett that the overwhelming majority of Ethiopians are clean.

They doing much testing down in Ethiopia?

Are testers even allowed in that country? (I know they probably are, but I bet it's conditional and I bet there's never any risk of a positive test)

Ethiopian running is a tightly run ship, very tough to penetrate into the core. Kenya was a free for all, and any level of stepping up testing was going to cause a tidal wave of positives.

A statistical analysis on amount of positive tests in Kenya compared to the amount of dopers expected to be caught could provide useful info on just how widespread serious doping is there. I would hypothesize that greeter than 90% of Kenyan elites are taking banned substances, mainly EPO. This is not unheard of, just look at Le Tour's track record and the banning of Russia recently.

It's hard to fathom that much doping as it is so looked down upon in US distance running circles.

Mahavishnu1500 wrote:

A statistical analysis on amount of positive tests in Kenya compared to the amount of dopers expected to be caught could provide useful info on just how widespread serious doping is there. I would hypothesize that greeter than 90% of Kenyan elites are taking banned substances, mainly EPO. This is not unheard of, just look at Le Tour's track record and the banning of Russia recently.

It's hard to fathom that much doping as it is so looked down upon in US distance running circles.

"90%???"..are you kidding? That would be a tragedy beyond comprehension. At 90% that's essentially saying using banned substances is the normal preparation for a Kenyan athlete. I hope it's not "90%"...maybe 30 or 35%, but 90? That's damn depressing and my outlook on Kenyan Athletics is becoming gloomier by the minute. ☹

It’s “lo and behold” you Neanderthal. Think.

No I am not kidding. The test for EPO is notoriously easy to beat, and we are still getting tons of positives out of Kenya even after it is well known that a bunch of athletes recently got popped. The positive test of Asbel Kiprop was in my opinion the most revealing, since it happened in like November. Ethiopia may even be worse, as most train together with the national team.

mwebsters wrote:

It’s “lo and behold” you Neanderthal. Think.

It's a sure bett that you must be a member of the forum grammar police.

Mahavishnu1500 wrote:

No I am not kidding. The test for EPO is notoriously easy to beat, and we are still getting tons of positives out of Kenya even after it is well known that a bunch of athletes recently got popped. The positive test of Asbel Kiprop was in my opinion the most revealing, since it happened in like November. Ethiopia may even be worse, as most train together with the national team.

C'mon man..."90%?" Btw, the test for rEPO is getting much better, especially for microdosing. If it was "90%" in Kenya, you'd have hundreds testing positive not just few here & there. Be realistic...don't clown around.

1. What percentage of users does the new EPO test catch?

2. What percentage of Kenyan elite runners are actually getting tested?

3. What percentage stopped doping when they heard about the new tests?

We would need some info like that to do an actual statistical analysis. You have to admit, the high number of positives is alarming. Imagine if 5-10 top US pros tested positive in the last year, wouldn't this be of huge concern?

We have no problem with the exposure of cheats. You have acolytes on here, Coevett, who have threatened to shoot people. You have also described your violent assault on a black person and have made more minor threats. Many of us are disturbed by this. We want a civil discussion. I, for one, have never said your claims are baseless. We just want you to discuss things as a gentleman would.

Thank you.

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Coevett, don't your posts actually show that the testing in Kenya has improved a lot, so that more cheaters have been caught recently?

Come on Jon Orange, publish your lab work! Save these ignorant fools from their beliefs that drugs work.

2020 Gold for Langford is an amazingly bold prediction. Non-Kenyans faster than Langford in 2018: Nijel Amos Clayton Murphy Brandon McBride Saul Ordonez Pierre-Ambroise Bosse Joseph Deng Marcin Lewandowski Isaiah Harris Peter Bol Adam Kszczot Jake Wightman Guy Learmonth Daniel Rowden Alvaro de Arriba Andreas Kremer Elliot Giles Eric Sowinski Andre Osagie Thiago do Rosario Andre Antoine Gakeme Rynhardt van Rensburg Ayanleh Souleiman

Coevett wrote:

Last week when I posted that he had been provisionally suspended for 'refusing to submit a sample' I was accused of 'spreading fake news'. A few weeks ago I was mocked for claiming that Kyle Langford would have a good shot at Olympic Gold in Tokyo if Kenya get banned. Well he sure as hell should be given the World Championship bronze medal that he was cheated out of last year.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-sport-doping-athletics-kenya/athletics-bett-latest-kenyan-athlete-to-test-positive-for-epo-idUSKCN1L91U2

stop cheating wrote:

Lets be honest here, Kenya should now be banned from all international competition by the IAAF if the IAAF was anyway serious about combatting doping. Managers and coaches involved should also be banned from the sport and interrogated as to how they went about the doping process. Any road-race organiser inviting Kenyans to compete should also be heavily fined to the tune of several million dollars by their national governments for facilitating crime and have their IAAF permit status removed as well as necessary (eg marathon majors etc.). Such measures would at least bring the sport a few big steps forward to reducing doping.

dude, track and fiend is PEDs.

maybe 20% of any final is really clean.

ask a top coach, current

This is spot on. I wish someone would have told me this when I was a sophomore in college.

100% if they're tested within 18 hrs of microdose use:

The medalists of major competitions and title winners of road races will all be tested. For OOC testing I'm not sure - would need specific data from WADA to review.

It would depend on who they are, IMO. Brand names like Rupp, Jager, Coburn, Simpson, etc., would be devastating, but anyone else lower on the food chain, and not many of the general public would even bat an eye.

So pretty much the situation before the World Champs where Kyle finished 4th, a fraction behind drug cheat Bett?

Except that I don't think he was injured most of that season as he has been in 2018. Although he did win silver (and should have won gold) at the Commonwealths (losing by a fraction to another Kenyan, under the Kenyan team manager who is also the coach of Bett).

Let's Get To The Bottom Of This wrote:

Mahavishnu1500 wrote:

1. What percentage of users does the new EPO test catch?

100% if they're tested within 18 hrs of microdose use:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24190107

Mahavishnu1500 wrote:

2. What percentage of Kenyan elite runners are actually getting tested?

The medalists of major competitions and title winners of road races will all be tested. For OOC testing I'm not sure - would need specific data from WADA to review.

I think I debated this with Renato recently, there was X total number of Kenyans on the scene and there was 1/2X total tests, yet many Kenyans are tested more than once (annually), which leaves a lot not tested at all. Renato complained that it was all about logistics.

trollism wrote:

I like Ethiopian Runners wrote:

You might be waiting a very long time because Ethiopians are not testing positive at all or they're clean & green unlike their neighbors to the South. IMO, I think it's a pretty good bett that the overwhelming majority of Ethiopians are clean.

They doing much testing down in Ethiopia?

Are testers even allowed in that country? (I know they probably are, but I bet it's conditional and I bet there's never any risk of a positive test)

Ethiopian running is a tightly run ship, very tough to penetrate into the core. Kenya was a free for all, and any level of stepping up testing was going to cause a tidal wave of positives.

Well Seppelt showed it was a joke in Ethiopia. I did see WADA test Mo in Ethiopia twice in the same day (blood and urine), which makes no sense at all.