The 800 and Emmanuel Korir 1:42.05!!! and Clayton Murphy 1:43.12!!! are BAAACK

It may have always been in the cards, but I don't think he has much xc ability. He was near last at ncaa's in xc, 249th at 33:35, which was his best time. That was pretty much the same time as I ran in my mid forties. https://utepathletics.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=3525

longjack wrote:

it's always been in the cards, the 44 400 kenyan who has just a little bit of cross country ability.

that guy would set the WR and go 139.

Korir fits the bill, as rojo pointed out a while ago.

https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/kenya/emmanuel-kipkurui-korir-311758

the last factor is the mental one, the mindset of a jordan, with good health the 139 really is a given.

actually the mindset is more rare than the athletic ability.. in sport there are only a couple of guys in the world at any one time that has that mindset. brady, jordan, bird, lebron, surprisingly no one in soccer despite having the best talent of all....

I think ideal split for Korir to break the WR would be around 49.2-49.4, He is a guy who can pour it on the last 200 and just needs to not sleep th third 200. This is different than Amos whose path is holding on for dear life life after a 1:14. Korir can go 24.2/25/25.8/25 plus. He has that sort of wheels in the end. Ideally we get THE race where Abda paces at 49 flat/1:01plus at 500 again, Amos follows right behind, Korir tracks and Murphy rides the wave. I see 1:41.5 Korir/1:41.9 Amos/1:42.7 Murphy/1:42.8 Rotich. Kinyamal, McBride, Kitilit all with a shot at 1:43 if they’re in it. The 800 is that loaded right now. Heck, throw Bosse/Kszcot as possibilities if they gain a little fitness.

Dude isn’t that essentially what I wrote. We are agreeing on the same breakdown of race aside from 0.2 seconds at 400m?! I’ll tell you why I like a little buffer of “just over” 49 seconds - it’s because the closer you get to the magical 48.xx at 400m 1) the tendency to get out slightly too fast in the first 200 is there and form becomes a little inefficient and “sprint-like” 2) historically the only race where someone ran 49.0 or faster and actually hung on for a truly fast time was Kipketer in that phenomenal Zurich race). Korir probably could do it off 49.0 but I think in more situations he has a better chance of doing it being just a fraction slower at 400m.

wejo wrote:

This is shaping up for a great 800 year.

2 days after Amos ran 1:42.14 in Monaco, Emmanuel Korir destroyed him (Amos was 4th) and took back the world lead.

After seeing Korir's splits it's obvious he's on special supplements. It's turning into a joke. The naive go along with it, and too many people who see what's going on are scared to say anything.

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Granted it's similar but 49.2 is what Rudisha went through in for his WR. I'd see a potential 1:40.7 by Korir having splits of 49.0 and 51.7.

Korir needs to go out faster if he is to hang on for the WR. He is even more speed based than Rudisha.

If Korir does break the WR I wouldn't be surprised if he does it with a 48.x first lap.

One thing is for sure, if Korir wants to get a WR before the year is up then he needs to jump into a 600m. That would be his without a doubt.

Silas Stichmo wrote:

wejo wrote:

This is shaping up for a great 800 year.

2 days after Amos ran 1:42.14 in Monaco, Emmanuel Korir destroyed him (Amos was 4th) and took back the world lead.

And let me emphasize how incredible this race was (as I was sitting at the finish line). Korir was approximately 49.9 at the Bell so closed out in 52.1 but with a 25.2 last 200m. So final lap of 52.1 going 26.9, 25.2. I have never seen a final 200m this fast in such a quick overall race. Not from Rudisha, Kipketer, nobody.

I can’t help but entertain the possibility that if Korir can keep it together and commit to the crucial 3rd 200m off a fast pace, he might legitimately challenge Rudishas WR.

Yes, his finish was very impressive, but Kipketer did run a 24.7 final 200m in a 1:42.77 in 97 (Monaco as well iirc), which is at least as good imo.

The slow down on the 3rd 200m to 26.9, is what allowed Korir to finish with a 25.2. In Coe’s 1:42.33 WR, his 3rd 200m was 24.6! Before finishing with a 26.9, so it can be done either way round, neither of which is ideal for fastest potential time.

Filthy Nike cheats out .

wonder where all this speed is coming from . .

just look at the sprints , filthy , breaking 20 secs in 200m is routine now , etc etc .

lets keep our heads in the sand and not see the main culprit , THE SPEED PEPTIDE .

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD , even WOODS IN THE GOLF is on the wagon .

there has never been a ped like this , for what it can do , the healing properties , good for older athlete and so on .

powers that be , wont even acknowledge it .

aduck2022 wrote:

Filthy Nike cheats out .

wonder where all this speed is coming from . .

just look at the sprints , filthy , breaking 20 secs in 200m is routine now , etc etc .

lets keep our heads in the sand and not see the main culprit , THE SPEED PEPTIDE .

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD , even WOODS IN THE GOLF is on the wagon .

there has never been a ped like this , for what it can do , the healing properties , good for older athlete and so on .

powers that be , wont even acknowledge it .

NO! NOT THE SPEED PEPTIDE .

Mock now

but if dont see it then so be it ,

there is something chronically wrong with sprinting at moment and for years .

and that means only one thing an unknown ped or peds .

take a look at london diamond league 100m or 200m .

absolute blanket finish in 100m all about 10 seconds , suggesting all using same thing

that dirty .

or again jamicans with big leaps in times and so on .

can point out the obvious but give up .

somebody has to speak out eventually .

wont be iaaf or wada .

hope somebody entraps one of these athletes but

that the role of law enforcement and even then they stay with in rules

could illegally collect data on all their money and internet transactions etc.

but that is role of intelligence which have better things to do .

you are a tool.....you mock a 33:35 10k in cross as sh*tty cause you were able to do it on the roads well into your 40's.....good for you man, let me guess you also had 43.xx relay speed too?

do you think MJ could have even JOGGED a full 10k? or jeremy wariner? this guy has the fastest 400 speed ever for an 800m guy, and you mock him cause his 10k isnt as fast as your old a$$? man you have a solid argument. i think you should troll more often and then you can talk sh*t about everyone like ex and rekrunner do.

why dont you show us all how smart you are and special of a runner you are and post your 400 prs

Go over to youtube and watch vids of the London race. Korir's face is bloated. He's doped. You can only have a bloated face as a runner at distances from 800 up when you're doped. Good grief. Wake up people. Guys like Deng and Murphy and Brazier and Barian and Kszczot are playing against a stacked deck.

aduck2022 wrote:

Filthy Nike cheats out .

wonder where all this speed is coming from . .

just look at the sprints , filthy , breaking 20 secs in 200m is routine now , etc etc .

lets keep our heads in the sand and not see the main culprit , THE SPEED PEPTIDE .

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD , even WOODS IN THE GOLF is on the wagon .

there has never been a ped like this , for what it can do , the healing properties , good for older athlete and so on .

powers that be , wont even acknowledge it .

Woods maybe on the sauce, maybe not, but his magic elixir was his crazy sex addiction. Off the charts.