JAKOB. DFL with a lap to go

like a duck..... wrote:

My favorite DFL:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LHid-nC45k&t=143s

I need interpretation from older guys.

(1.) During the slow-motion replay of the finish of the race, the race-commentator said: "...and Mike Boit of Kenya gets third in the surprise." Was Mike Boit the favorite who fell to third? Or are they suggesting that it was surprising to see Kenya get a medal at the time because they were still developing as a nation? Or are they saying that Boit got 3rd in a race that finished with the surprise of Wottle?

(2.) Additionally, the host says at the very end: "On behalf of skinny guys everywhere, I'd like to congratulate him (Wottle)." Was this meant as some kind of dig/insult/shade against distance runners?

malmo wrote:

DFL isn't an acronym.

I need some clarification on this. Are you taking the position that an acronym can only be used as a noun, but DFL is either adjective or adverb, depending on its use in a sentence, and therefore does not qualify?

shade? wrote:

malmo wrote:

DFL isn't an acronym.

I need some clarification on this. Are you taking the position that an acronym can only be used as a noun, but DFL is either adjective or adverb, depending on its use in a sentence, and therefore does not qualify?

You really aren't getting this.

DFL us an initialsm, as are CIA and FBI.

SCUBA, FUBAR, POTUS are all acronyms.

All acronyms are initialisms. Not all initialsms are acronyms. Get it?

You didn't quite spell it out (pun intended), but based on your example I've figured out what you mean. You're saying that after an initialism is formed, it can only be an acronym if it makes sense linguistically as a full word. DFL fails because it has no vowels. FBI fails because in English, f and b would never be side-by-side while also being parts of the same syllable. CIA, I gather, is conceivably an acronym, though.

Troll, if you aren't understanding what distinguishes an acronym from an initialism then look it up. A couple of posters have alredy explained it to you. Quit hijacking this thread.

shade? wrote:

like a duck..... wrote:

My favorite DFL:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LHid-nC45k&t=143s

I need interpretation from older guys.

(1.) During the slow-motion replay of the finish of the race, the race-commentator said: "...and Mike Boit of Kenya gets third in the surprise." Was Mike Boit the favorite who fell to third? Or are they suggesting that it was surprising to see Kenya get a medal at the time because they were still developing as a nation? Or are they saying that Boit got 3rd in a race that finished with the surprise of Wottle?

(2.) Additionally, the host says at the very end: "On behalf of skinny guys everywhere, I'd like to congratulate him (Wottle)." Was this meant as some kind of dig/insult/shade against distance runners?

I'm not old enough to remember this race, but I've watched it and read about it many times, including in a number of threads here. I'm pretty sure the Ukrainian/Soviet runner was the heavy favourite going in to the race. I don't think Mike Boit had done anything notable before this race so it may have been a surprise that he got a medal at all. I think it was known that Wottle was suffering injury problems, which is why apparently he went out so slowly. According to himself, he wasn't even expecting to be able to finish the race. Of course, everybody, including the commentators knew he had a blistering kick.

All three medalists were the same age (23), but the Ukrainian retired after this, Wottle a couple of years later, and Boit was still going in the 1990s.

Don't know about your 2nd question. Maybe an in-joke?

Alan Webbs Triceps wrote:

Five is the magic number wrote:

Top nations in the World right now for the mens 1500:

1: Kenya

2: Ingebrigtsens

3: USA

10/10

LOL!

Actually, I'm pretty sure it's

1:Kenya (Tim 3:28; Elijah 3:39;;Simotwo 3:33)

2:Norway (Filip 3:30;Jakob 3:31;Henrik 3:35_

3:GB (O'Hare 3:32; Wightman 3:33; Charlie Grice 3:34)

4:USA (Centro 3:31; Hunter 3:35; Andrews 3:36)

GB have got 3 in top 15, Kenya 3 also, Norway 3, USA 1.

If we're talking 4x1500 relay then Norway have got a 3:38 non Ingebrigsten.

GB has 7 men under 3:37 this season so far. and most are under 25. Jake Heyward ran 3:36 in London and he's 19 years old. Kane Elliot has ran 3:46 this season and he's 16.

Mary Ann Webster wrote:

Troll, if you aren't understanding what distinguishes an acronym from an initialism then look it up. A couple of posters have alredy explained it to you. Quit hijacking this thread.

Well, it all started from the OP's questionable word choice.

Coevett wrote:

Alan Webbs Triceps wrote:

10/10

LOL!

Actually, I'm pretty sure it's

1:Kenya (Tim 3:28; Elijah 3:39;;Simotwo 3:33)

2:Norway (Filip 3:30;Jakob 3:31;Henrik 3:35_

3:GB (O'Hare 3:32; Wightman 3:33; Charlie Grice 3:34)

4:USA (Centro 3:31; Hunter 3:35; Andrews 3:36)

GB have got 3 in top 15, Kenya 3 also, Norway 3, USA 1.

What if Mo made a comeback?

Compared to a decade ago, it seems Europe and the US are catching up. The women are particularly impressive!!!

malmo wrote:

shade? wrote:

I need some clarification on this. Are you taking the position that an acronym can only be used as a noun, but DFL is either adjective or adverb, depending on its use in a sentence, and therefore does not qualify?

You really aren't getting this.

DFL us an initialsm, as are CIA and FBI.

SCUBA, FUBAR, POTUS are all acronyms.

All acronyms are initialisms. Not all initialsms are acronyms. Get it?

Meh. You're more pedantic that you are correct. In fact, by literal definition an acronym need not meet this criteria. (See

.)

Wu Ming wrote:

Thanks malmo -- good point. Looking at the race analysis on the DL site, his 100m splits look like this. (These splits all in tenths, so they don't perfectly match the final time.) This shows your point about how smart he paced this effort.

14.4

14.0

14.5

14.8

14.1

14.0

14.1

14.4

14.4

13.9

13.9

14.0

13.7

13.7

13.3

Why are people talking like this was great pacing? Patient, yes, but to the extreme and to the detriment of the performance. Guys, this is actually pretty shite 1500 pacing:

57.7

56.6

56.2

40.3 (53.7 pace!)

Obviously had WAY to much in the tank to say this was his best possible 1500 on the day. First lap should definitely not be slower than second and third in a PR 1500.

Everyone loves to crow about the guy who runs from DFL through the field on the last lap, but the guy that holds or even loses a place may actually be running his best possible time. No question J.I. could have run faster than this if he had meted out his effort better.

Subway Surfers wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Actually, I'm pretty sure it's

1:Kenya (Tim 3:28; Elijah 3:29;;Simotwo 3:33)

2:Norway (Filip 3:30;Jakob 3:31;Henrik 3:35_

3:GB (O'Hare 3:32; Wightman 3:33; Charlie Grice 3:34)

4:USA (Centro 3:31; Hunter 3:35; Andrews 3:36)

GB have got 3 in top 15, Kenya 3 also, Norway 3, USA 1.

What if Mo made a comeback?

Haha, yeah GB would certainly be strong if Mo came back, maybe the best 4x1500 relay team in the world, although he might have lost some 1500 speed since retiring from the track.

I guess George would be in the Kenya 1500 team, so we could describe the top 4 rankings thus :

1. Bernard Ouma's boys.

2. Ingebrigsten brothers.

3. Scotland.

4. USA

grammarist wrote:

Meh. You're more pedantic that you are correct. In fact, by literal definition an acronym need not meet this criteria. (See

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/acronym#Etymology

.)

Are you serious? Before this thread you had no idea what the difference was between initialism and acronym. You still don't. That link spelled it out clearly. An acronym is an initialism. Not all initialisms are acronyms. DFL is an initialism. The individual letters are distinctly pronounced. It is never pronounced as a word. NEVER. This isn't rocket science, kid. It's 7th grade English class.

it's actually not genius pacing at all wrote:

Why are people talking like this was great pacing? Patient, yes, but to the extreme and to the detriment of the performance. Guys, this is actually pretty shite 1500 pacing:

57.7

56.6

56.2

40.3 (53.7 pace!)

Obviously had WAY to much in the tank to say this was his best possible 1500 on the day. First lap should definitely not be slower than second and third in a PR 1500.

Everyone loves to crow about the guy who runs from DFL through the field on the last lap, but the guy that holds or even loses a place may actually be running his best possible time. No question J.I. could have run faster than this if he had meted out his effort better.

You are an inexperienced racer. In what level of competition is this considered sh!ite? The pacing was absolutely brilliant.

If you want to say the 10 runners ( the best in the world) who Jakob passed in that last 300m had a sh!te strategy you might have some takers (not me), but it is clear as day Jakob's pacing was brilliant.