life after Rupp

NOP Skeptic wrote:

I'm not sure what the OP specifically meant in terms of who will replace Rupp, but my interpretation was "what American is going to match Rupp's range?"

I used the definition the OP gave, "Rupp is the guy right now, and its deeply exciting because no matter what race he is in, he almost always has a chance at the podium".

That's why I went with Brazier, Murphy (if he gets healthy again), and Chelimo. Certainly Brazier has to get better at rounds, but he still has the talent to be running for the win when he is toeing the line.

Windle, while he certainly has opportunities to grab more medals, doesn't strike me as a guy I expect to be in the mix to win any race he's in. Same with Sowinski.

Centro and Jager will be done around the same time as Rupp.

Ches is not yet American, though he will likely be in the conversation.

Engels could be another Centro or just another Blankenship - we will see.

NOP Skeptic wrote:

I'm not sure what the OP specifically meant in terms of who will replace Rupp, but my interpretation was "what American is going to match Rupp's range?"

Who is the next American who will have the ability to go 3:50 in the mile, but still win a marathon major 4 years later? To be good at mile, 3k, 5k, 10k, HM, and Marathon and threaten his US records? Get Olympic medals?

Jakob Ingebrigtsen almost certainly has the potential at bettering Rupp's times across the board. And President Donald Trump has invited Norwegians to come over to the US, so there is no way the Ingebrigtsen family will not want to proudly don the stars and stripes, and for the rest of their lives be subject to some of the most annoying and ridiculous regulation in the history of mankind.

I think Christian Coleman should take his 60 speed to the marathon I mean if he runs his wr time every 60 meters he would be well under 2 hrs something no one else has done.

MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:

There is none..

...and if there is a life without Rupp, I don't want to be around for it

Imagine a cold, dark, miserable world..where everyone is negative, grass never grows and the sun never shines...

Come to think of it, I imagine "life after Rupp" is the same as the current LetsRun message boards.

This is the correct answer. The trolls here don't want to admit it, but like him or not, Rupp is a generational talent. When he's done he'll hold the US 10K and Marathon records (and the Half if he wants it) with times of 26:44 and likely 2:04:xx or 2:05:xx with multiple WMM wins and global medals. The next American to challenge these, or have a career even remotely close to Rupp's, is either in diapers or likely not born yet....Sorry.

Other than the E. African transplants, it will be a long time before we see another Rupp. That is not to say that the US distance scene is completely devoid of talent. Fisher, Hunter, and some of the NAU team show promise. In some ways Hunter is ahead of Rupp's schedule. But Rupp really came onto the pro running scene in a way no one else has been able to do in decades and there is little reason to expect anyone else to be able to move so smoothly to the pro scene and follow up with big marathon results. But that is just the nature of distance running in the US. Very few scholarships and very few spots at elite training groups. Lots of guys get hurt and burn out fast due to lack of support.

the question is open to interpretation.

frankly, i'm just curious which runner(s) will command hype because of their running, their ability to win races, after rupp. that they have range, or can be world-class at any particular distance or multiple distances (GOAT category) is certainly something that elevates this person's ability to generate hype... but i just don't know if we have that person laying in wait, ready to fill the void.

would be interesting to see if hunter can step up, but i just don't see it (yet). chelimo is also fantastic!! but 27. ches isn't in the equation right now. the 800 guys are definitely interesting, and murphy has most definitely claimed a spot on the world stage... but there is just something unsatisfying to me about runners so specific...

ward, centro, jager are all fantastic runners (still can't believe centro has an olympic gold), but they will fade away with rupp, and are certainly in his shadow when it comes to GOAT generational runners in america.

i feel like its a good time to be excited about running in america... and fear this time will pass and it won't be this good again for the foreseeable future.

in the 2024 olympics, which americans will challenge for a medal?

Craig MF Lutz

I think it's worth bearing in mind that Rupp was not a superstar right out of the box and it takes time to nurture talent. Chris Solinsky regularly beat him in college, until his final year when he finally showed us something special.

as for predictions, I quite like Grant Fisher myself, I think he's been handled very well and made good progress. my only concern is that he has not yet learned how to fight. he relies too much on talent, which he has, and needs to show a bit more spirit. as a wild card, Tyler Day of Northern Arizona.

cheers.

Galen Rupp

NCAA 2009 5000m 1st 14:04.12 (13:59.26 in heats); 10,000m 1st 28:21.45 - indoors 5000m 1st 13:41.45; 3000m 1st 7:48.94 and he ran the 1600m leg of the DMR in 3:57.07.

NCAA 2007 10,000m 2nd 28:56.19 (1st Shadrack Songok (Texas A&M) 28:55.83) - indoors 5000m 3rd 13:40.38 (1st Chris Solinsky (Wisconsin) 13:38.61, 2nd Peter Kosgei (Arkansas) 13:39.88); 3000m 3rd 7:56.79 (1st Lopez Lomong (Northern Arizona) 7:49.74, 2nd Chris Solinsky (Wisconsin) 7:51.69)

NCAA 2006 indoors 5000m 5th 13:56.41 (1st Josphat Boit (Arkansas) 13:49.93, 2nd Richard Kiplagat (Iona) 13:51.96, 3rd Chris Solinsky (Wisconsin) 13:52.47); 3000m 6th 8:07.85 (1st Chris Solinsky (Wisconsin) 7:59.68, 2nd Robert Cheseret (Arizona) 8:04.15)

NCAA 2005 10,000m 2nd 28:23.75 (1st Robert Cheseret (Arizona) 28:20.11)

Donyiyo wrote:

Weather permitting, he is ready for high 2:06 -mid 2:07 at Boston this year, mark my words.

We're putting too much pressure on the man. I mean, predicting a 2:06/2:07 pace per half-mile is just too much.

Oh. . .you mean 2 hours and 6 or 7 minutes! 2:06 is a 4:48.549618 per mile pace. 2:07 is a 4:50.839695 pace. More or less.

If Rupp wears some fancy Nike suit based on the principles of the sailboats on the Charles River, and the wind is from the west, he can JUST DO IT!

Well, maybe he can succeed with regular gear. Hope so, to be honest. Go, Galen, Go!

Cottonshirt wrote:

I think it's worth bearing in mind that Rupp was not a superstar right out of the box and it takes time to nurture talent.

28:25 as a 19 year old is pretty special, at least by American standards..

raymondy wrote:

Cottonshirt wrote:

I think it's worth bearing in mind that Rupp was not a superstar right out of the box and it takes time to nurture talent.

28:25 as a 19 year old is pretty special, at least by American standards..

26:44 is pretty special by world standards.....

SlowDad wrote:

I'll miss Rupp for sure. It's awesome to see a white American runner up front with all the Africans. That cat can ball, know what I'm saying? Rupp's last 10k at Chicago was about as baller as anything I've seen from an American runner in my adult lifetime (1999 high school grad).

Rupp's last 10k at Chicago for those of you who think he doesn't go for it:

five straight sub-4:40 miles for miles 22 (4:39), 23 (4:35), 24 (4:30), 25 (4:34), and 26 (4:33) to decimate the five-man lead pack.

4:34 pace

22:44 8k

28:22 10k pace

he ran his final 5.2188 miles in an unofficial 24:02 – that’s 4:36.3 per mile, or 2:00:45 marathon pace. faster than almost every USA half marathoner's pace, ever

I got new racing flats two years back, and thought I'd take them for a spin. I set off, watch in hand, on my favorite 2 mile loop. I ran a 12:04. I hadn't run a 12:04 two mile in maybe 15 years. Much less a 6 minute mile. I was 51, and out of shape. Thirty pounds over my college racing weight. Just saying.

1. Brazier will never make it through the rounds, he's like Webb.

2. Murphy is finished.

3. I like Chelimo, but his performances are now slower than how fast his head is growing.

4. Windle is either performing at the top of his game right now (and will only be an indoor threat) or will eventually be a Symmond's like runner. Winning USAs and always in the mix for a medal, but will never win a major.

5. Centro is probably done, but he won Gold so who cares. He shouldn't have an asterisk even though he won in 3:50, he did all the work.

6. Engels won't do anything, don't understand why Oregon Project wanted him other than to be an anti-Rupp from a personality standpoint. Tough runner, but doesn't have the talent.

7. Jager is an all-time great, doesn't have to do anything from here on out.

8. Rupp is obviously doped, very boring, and hopefully will get caught before retirement.

Cottonshirt wrote:

I think it's worth bearing in mind that Rupp was not a superstar right out of the box and it takes time to nurture talent.

You claim that, but the superstars who won, and won, and won, and have many medals, often were stars early. Felix is an obvious example.

(Of course Rupp isn't really in the category of having many medals anyway, much less winning much.)

Samuel DeChamplain wrote: 26:44 is pretty special by world standards...

yes, it is. it's top-25 all time special.

it also has nothing to do with what I said. he didn't run 26:44 until 2014, five years after leaving college.

cheers.

Whatever happened to the Eric Jenkins hype machine? We off him now?

Brodey Hasty. Josh Hoey. We have some talent yet.

PortlandXCgirl wrote:

He’s already here. Paul Chelimo.

Yeah and we;ve got your B team sprinters pity the American accent gives away the fact they are American.

The whole concept of country is BS without switching adding to the stupidity of flag waving