DREAMER Deal - how it will work out

I think the GOP has moved much closer to the middle on immigration.

I'm with funding for a "fence" or "wall" or whatever you want to call it for a few reasons:

1) An actual wall, similar in size and construction to examples we've already seen, will be far too expensive anyway. So it's going to simply be fencing or walls similar to those already in place.

2) It moves DACA forward. Trump won't budge on this campaign promise. His long lasting accomplishment won't be a war, health insurance for all, or lower taxes....it will be a wall that will likely never be built to completion.

3) If democrats don't budge off DACA....and Trump doesn't budge off The Wall...then we get a much, much, much longer government shutdown. The GOP doesn't really want a wall...Trump does. So the blame for the shutdown does to Trump/Dems.

4) Trump has enough problems coming with Mueller and just Trump being Trump.

5) I'm awating the Creepy Old Guy Showdown of 2020......Grandpa Joe vs Tricky Trump!!

Alan

Just Another LRC Idiot wrote:

RBoston wrote:

Yes we should stop all chain migration. They should not be able to sponsor family members.

I have two questions.

1. Why do you think all chain migration should be stopped.

2. Why do you think it's a good idea to cut the LEGAL immigration by half?

Immigration should exactly match emigration......numbers wise.

Why is no one talking about the DAPA program = to keep parents of the Dreamers in America????????????

RBoston wrote:

Count Chocula wrote:

What about US citizens who marry a foreign citizen, who then moves to the US? That isn't merit-based.

Personally I dont think marriage should qualify under a merit based system. I think there is to much potential for fraud.

That's a reasonable opinion. Just wanted to ask because it's a source of immigration that is often overlooked. I believe that there are some mechanisms in place to reduce fraud (interviews, background investigations) but I have no idea of their effectiveness.

DSB15 wrote:

Just Another LRC Idiot wrote:

I have two questions.

1. Why do you think all chain migration should be stopped.

2. Why do you think it's a good idea to cut the LEGAL immigration by half?

Immigration should exactly match emigration......numbers wise.

In other words, you want the United States to become more like Germany and Japan... rapidly aging population. Social Security and Medicare will go bankrupt much sooner than anyone has predicted.

Just Another LRC Idiot wrote:

DSB15 wrote:

Immigration should exactly match emigration......numbers wise.

In other words, you want the United States to become more like Germany and Japan... rapidly aging population. Social Security and Medicare will go bankrupt much sooner than anyone has predicted.

Japan's age profile is more aged than Florida's. Japan's population will likely contract from its current 126,672,000 (from Wikipedia). Japan combines low birth rates, longevity and very low immigration rate.

When's the first Mexico payments for the wall coming in? End of 2018?

You can say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.

douglas burke wrote:

You can say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.

I hope some day you'll join us and the world will live as one.

Pretty original huh? maybe I should make a song.

I have a question, the saying is Immigration helps the economy (Which makes sense, more people = more production=more taxpayers) but why not have the Immigrants go to countries that REALLY need an economic boost like Haiti.

douglas burke wrote:

I have a question, the saying is Immigration helps the economy (Which makes sense, more people = more production=more taxpayers) but why not have the Immigrants go to countries that REALLY need an economic boost like Haiti.

Well, do you want to migrate to Haiti?

Just Another LRC Idiot wrote:

douglas burke wrote:

I have a question, the saying is Immigration helps the economy (Which makes sense, more people = more production=more taxpayers) but why not have the Immigrants go to countries that REALLY need an economic boost like Haiti.

Well, do you want to migrate to Haiti?

No, I don't, but if people are fleeing a country they don't like, they should go to one they can help. Ask not what a country can do for you, ask what you can do far a country.

Just Another LRC Idiot wrote:

Not a Dreamer wrote:

You take out chain migration and 500,000 are being taken care of.

Not unless you take out all chain migration. I don't think that's part of the deal.

Do you think people who are born here or legally migrated should be ineligible to sponsor their family members?

I sure as hell do. You want to reunify your family .. go back.