Ethiopian 17-year-old runs 12:55 5K.

I hope that 17 year old Ethiopian still goes to school like everyone else.

Corrected

Njj wrote:

I hope that 17 year old Ethiopian still goes to school like everyone else.

Likely that WCAP's already made him an offer .... expanding their market beyond Rift Valley ... too many drugs.

Kev2 wrote:

Aouita's WR was 12:58 before Gebresellasie and Kiptanui lowered it to 12:55

Ahh yes, you're right. Aouita really was fortunate in his timing. Broke two weak world records - the 1500m and 5000m. It was really lucky for him that for various reasons neither Coe or Ovett moved up to the 5000m in their prime. If Moorcroft was able to run 13 dead (and should have broken 13 mins that night) then Coe or Ovett would have destroyed 12:58 - amply demonstrated by Ovett being able to jog 13:20 even when an injury wreck years past his prime. Both should have ran 3:28 or faster for the 1500m. That would have left Aouita with the 3000m WR - which was less prestigious than the two mile at the time - and one Olympic 5000m gold.

Coevett wrote:

Kev2 wrote:

Aouita's WR was 12:58 before Gebresellasie and Kiptanui lowered it to 12:55

Ahh yes, you're right. Aouita really was fortunate in his timing. Broke two weak world records - the 1500m and 5000m. It was really lucky for him that for various reasons neither Coe or Ovett moved up to the 5000m in their prime. If Moorcroft was able to run 13 dead (and should have broken 13 mins that night) then Coe or Ovett would have destroyed 12:58 - amply demonstrated by Ovett being able to jog 13:20 even when an injury wreck years past his prime. Both should have ran 3:28 or faster for the 1500m. That would have left Aouita with the 3000m WR - which was less prestigious than the two mile at the time - and one Olympic 5000m gold.

And if my auntie had balls she'd be Semenya.

Supersupercenentarian wrote:

Gee, I don't know, who would win in a fight, a salamander or a dinosaur?

Also, this is fake, yeah? Can't find anything on it on the internet and am kind of ashamed for having actually done so.

Here is a salamander:

Here is a dinosaur:

You make the call

titan wrote:

Would he win Footlocker?

He'd probably win NCAA xc let's be real.

I just want to clarify that Mr(?) Coevett continues with lying about Aouita's progression.

This was told to him many times:

Aouita's seasonal bests:

800m / 1000m / 1500m / 1 Mile / 2000m / 3000m / 5000m / 3000mSt

1979: / / 3:42.3 / / / / 13:48.5 / 8:40.16

1980: 1:48.8 / 2:20.0 / 3:37.08 / / / 8:02.1 / /

1981: 1:47.0 / 2:26.9(i) / 3:37.69 / / / / 13:39.0 /

1982: 1:47.4 / 2:19.22 / 3:37.37 / 3:57.75 / 5:02.44 / 8:01.59 / 14:05.7 /

It should be added that he has run the odd distances usually just once per season.

In 1981 he has won the World University Games 1500m and in 1982 he has won two medals (800m/1500m) at the African Championships.

In 1982 he has won on the track - for example - against Thomas Wessinghage, José Manuel Abascal, Craig Masback, Pascal Thibault, Abderahmane Morceli, Babacar Niang, Omar Khalifa, Wodajo Bulti.

In Cross Country (long course) he has won (in 81 and 82) - for example - against: Jaques Boxberger, Dominique Chauvelier, Joseph Mahmoud, Karel Lismont, Bruno LeStum and Carlos Lopes.

So, in his first real season (age 19 - or 18, there are different informations about his date of birth) he has run 13:48.5 for 5000m. He has improved this to 13:39 two years later. At age 20 Aouita has run 3:37.08 for 1500m.

When someone sums this up to "could barely brake 14 minutes for 5000m and 4 minutes for the mile at 22" (as Coevett constantly does) than his only intention is to spread lies.

Also - for sure - Aouita's 5000m WR was not 12:55, but 12:58.39. Anybody with just a little bit of interest in the history of middle- and long distance running knows this.

Age cheat? He is running in open races.

It long been know birth record keeping in Africa may be off a year, not multiple years.

Africans for the most part are not worried about running as a career as westerners are. Select African elites make longer careers out of it.

Make some money, travel and settle down back in your community.

This is when age cheating becomes embarrassing.

It's nothing to do with 'record keeping' anyway. These cheats are just picking an age, usually 17, and hope they can use that to get into junior events and get their name to stand out from the crowd.

No doubt that fact that this one will be in the testing pool (for what it's worth in Africa) now will hinder his further progress, and this might be the fastest he'll ever run.

said88 wrote:

I just want to clarify that Mr(?) Coevett continues with lying about Aouita's progression.

This was told to him many times:

Aouita's seasonal bests:

800m / 1000m / 1500m / 1 Mile / 2000m / 3000m / 5000m / 3000mSt

1979: / / 3:42.3 / / / / 13:48.5 / 8:40.16

1980: 1:48.8 / 2:20.0 / 3:37.08 / / / 8:02.1 / /

1981: 1:47.0 / 2:26.9(i) / 3:37.69 / / / / 13:39.0 /

1982: 1:47.4 / 2:19.22 / 3:37.37 / 3:57.75 / 5:02.44 / 8:01.59 / 14:05.7 /

Also - for sure - Aouita's 5000m WR was not 12:55, but 12:58.39. Anybody with just a little bit of interest in the history of middle- and long distance running knows this.

I honestly think there must be something wrong with you. You keep posting the same incredibly suspicious set of mediocre Aouita SBs from 1979 and 1982 and somehow think this absolves him of any possible PED use.

Why did someone who was capable of winning Olympic Gold (if he hadn't gotten injured, according to his supporters) at 800m just for fun when dropping down from 10000m for one year, running 1:43 or the WR on a good day ( I think Calculo claims Aouita could have run 1:39 - second only to Ryun), spend THREE years on the European circuit - between the ages of 19 and 22 whilst at an elite sporting institute - improving his 800m by a measly one second from 1:48.8 to 1:47.4??? Between 1980-82 whilst running regularly in paced races on the circuit, his 1500m pb actually goes backwards from 3:37.08 to 3:37.37. Likewise, his 5000m times 13:48 in 79, 13:39 in 81 and 14:05 in 82. Yet almost the moment he gets an Italian doctor in 1983 when Italy was the international center of blood doping clinics he becomes able to threaten world records from 800m to 10,000m. And you think this is normal?

Didn't happen though wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Ahh yes, you're right. Aouita really was fortunate in his timing. Broke two weak world records - the 1500m and 5000m. It was really lucky for him that for various reasons neither Coe or Ovett moved up to the 5000m in their prime. If Moorcroft was able to run 13 dead (and should have broken 13 mins that night) then Coe or Ovett would have destroyed 12:58 - amply demonstrated by Ovett being able to jog 13:20 even when an injury wreck years past his prime. Both should have ran 3:28 or faster for the 1500m. That would have left Aouita with the 3000m WR - which was less prestigious than the two mile at the time - and one Olympic 5000m gold.

And if my auntie had balls she'd be Semenya.

Yes it's hypothetical, which is why I said Aouita was fortunate in his timing. He also chose his timing to some extent, for example avoiding Coe, Cram and Ovett in 84 by moving up to the 5000m, and then moving down and attempting the double in 88 when they all appeared finished (as well as Cruz). Aouita's success was due to a combination of avoiding the best by moving up and down in distance and the fact that his peak years 83-87 fell almost exactly between the end of white middle-distance dominance and the emergence of African PED assisted domination - something of course he himself likely was responsible for.

Ovett ran 13:20 in just about his first serious 5000m race and finished within 4 seconds of Yifter, the best in the world at the time. That was in 1977 when he'd been a 1500m runner for less than a year and really a 400/800 runner before that. In 86 when nearly 30 with a bit of his thigh missing and having come close to death at LA with a heart virus he dominated top 5 world runners Hutchins and Buckner jogging to a 13:24 at the Commonwealths. Moorcroft, a much inferior 1500m runner who also moved up, also won the Commonwealth 5000m in 82 - the same year he ran his 13:00 WR. Ovett ran a faster last lap in a faster race than Moorcroft. Buckner, who had been destroyed by Ovett a couple of weeks earlier, won the Europeans in 13:10, with Ovett unable to finish because of more viral problems probably a legacy of LA.

Ovett of course was a bit fortunate in his timing with the 800m at least. Having said that, he likely would have been an incredible 1500m/5000m runner if he'd focused on that double in his prime, but the 5000m was for failed 1500m runners or cowards and there was far more prestige and glamour in the 800m.

Aouita probably achieved his full potential in terms of times. Every race he ran he attempted to run as fast as he could (he stated this himself). The fact that his times were remarkably consistent before his Italian doctor (3:37 nearly every year) and then similarly consistent after his Italian doctor (3:29-3:32) suggests the difference was due to PEDs.

So Aouita's non-ped potential : 3:37/13:40

Aouita's potential running with peds : 3:29/12:58

Ovett's potential without peds : 3:28/12:55

Ovett's potential with Italian doctor : 3:24/12:30

Staying to the facts is always better than spreading lies Mr(?) Coevett. I'm not even here at all to defend Aouita in any way. But just continou with all your lies if you feel better than.

Aouita could "barely break 4 minutes for the mile". Well, just for your info: Coe could not even break this barrier and one year later easily bettered the WR. Stupid statement? Definitely. Exactly on a par with most of your listings of all those wrong "facts".

This guy looks very young (go to 13:32 for close-up of his face after a tiring effort):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SRhE9PywcU

Very smooth skin, teenage muscle tone.

At the same supposed age, Geb had lines on his forehead already (though many think he was actually up to five years older than listed).

Is ingebritsen the first person born in the 21st century to break 4? That's pretty cool!

1979: / / 3:42.3 / / / / 13:48.5 / 8:40.16

1980: 1:48.8 / 2:20.0 / 3:37.08 / / / 8:02.1 / /

1981: 1:47.0 / 2:26.9(i) / 3:37.69 / / / / 13:39.0 /

1982: 1:47.4 / 2:19.22 / 3:37.37 / 3:57.75 / 5:02.44 / 8:01.59 / 14:05.7

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So, very little improvement after 1980 until 1983. And that was the guy who would go on to run 3:29/7:29/12:58? Steroids and who knows what else?

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

How in the hell did a 17 year old just run a 12:55 5k? A 20s pb this is a joke. $5 says that he has never been tested & he ain't 17.

Of all the things that might be suspicious, a 17 year old running a 20s PB ain't one of them.

titan wrote:

Would he win Footlocker?

Google him and look at his pics and videos. If he's 17 then Clayton Murphy is 15 and Donavan Brazier is 13.

Hall of ReKordz wrote:

titan wrote:

Would he win Footlocker?

Google him and look at his pics and videos. If he's 17 then Clayton Murphy is 15 and Donavan Brazier is 13.

Here's an interview:

He ain't 17, that's for sure. He's young, but more like 22 - 23.

Some of the great African juniors have actually been juniors. Some, as in less than 5%. Most of them are simply older than what is claimed. Sure Geb was older han what was claimed. He kept going for so long because he was the size of an average 12 yr old boy, lot less pounding on the joints than for a bigger runner ho hah.

All the guys howling about Aouita - improvement isn't exactly linear for all runners, and some guys improve in fits and starts until they find out what works for them. Some guys need to physically mature as well.