Ingebrigtsen: 3:39 in Stockholm!

Hmm, not sure about that. He'll turn 17 in September. When I turned 17, I was 4 months into my senior year. German Fernandez too.

Badabing wrote:

No, he would be a 10th grader.

Honestly, people with September birthdays can go either way, custom probably varies by state or even school district, so he could either be an older sophomore or younger junior this past year, but not on the extreme end for either one.

I have three close relatives with late September birthdays and they were all entering 12th grade at Ingebrigtsen's age...and my first girlfriend was 16 with an October birthday when entering senior year, but if they'd been a grade behind that wouldn't have been unusual either (as another gf of mine with an October birthday was).

As someone who just went through high school, I can say that the ages for high school are different now than they were 20-30 years ago. People are older in each grade now. German was young for his grade, by today's standards.

Badabing wrote:

As someone who just went through high school, I can say that the ages for high school are different now than they were 20-30 years ago. People are older in each grade now. German was young for his grade, by today's standards.

I'm not that old. And I don't think they've really changed much.

Team Ing wrote:

I think his biggest advantage for his future is that he has two world class miler brothers to mentor him. Jakob doesn't need to make same tactical mistakes that Henrik and Filip have done.

What??

Henrik is a 1:48/3:31 guy who has run his way to multiple Euro Champs medals (including gold) and 5th at the Olympics.

His tactics consistently place him ABOVE any seeding list based on PR/SBs.

Again, where are the actual Kenyan teens? Do they exist or not? Don't give me that rubbish about the football team ... they are cr*p, even with the ineligible players and never featured outside the low-ranked East & Central African region. In track, Kenya doesn't need to cheat to be the best. As for short careers, Eliud is still here 15 years later; we've had Asbel showing no signs of slowing down after a decade and Vivian has been competing internationally for 18 years. Pity they couldn't emulate Alan Webb's longevity.

Are you seriously denying that many, many Kenyans are older than their listed age?

For the record I don't think they're "age cheats." Not their fault if they were given an ID with an inaccurate date. But it's well acknowledged that many are older than the age on their passport and I wouldn't be surprised if that includes Kiprop and Kipchoge who are still reportedly fairly young.

what do you mean by tactics? wrote:

Team Ing wrote:

I think his biggest advantage for his future is that he has two world class miler brothers to mentor him. Jakob doesn't need to make same tactical mistakes that Henrik and Filip have done.

What??

Henrik is a 1:48/3:31 guy who has run his way to multiple Euro Champs medals (including gold) and 5th at the Olympics.

His tactics consistently place him ABOVE any seeding list based on PR/SBs.

What he said is completely over your head.

HardLoper wrote:

Are you seriously denying that many, many Kenyans are older than their listed age?

Yes.

HardLoper wrote:

For the record I don't think they're "age cheats." Not their fault if they were given an ID with an inaccurate date. But it's well acknowledged that many are older than the age on their passport and I wouldn't be surprised if that includes Kiprop and Kipchoge who are still reportedly fairly young.

So Kipchoge hits the form his (or anyone else's) life in his late thirties? Dude, think before you hit 'post'.

Acknowledged by whom? Look, if a Kenyan gets ID with wrong information, it is fraud. They were deliberately trying to mislead for personal gain. Virtually all Kenyans born after the late seventies & early eighties know the exact date (and in many cases, the time) they were born. Fortunately, your arbitrary suppositions about their ages are just that: suppositions.

There'll always be a few bad apples trying to get a leg up, it happens everywhere in the world. But for you to state that the majority of Kenyan runners have falsified ages is extremely dumb.

Haha! You don`t know what you are writing about! He is "easy taken" and there are lot of to come......

I know!

Yes....many kenyans with my experience are younger then what the official age says! Why? Because they are not allowed to compete in senior races with prize money if they don`t have the right age for it!

COACH J.S å ä ö wrote:

Yes....many kenyans with my experience are younger then what the official age says! Why? Because they are not allowed to compete in senior races with prize money if they don`t have the right age for it!

This is what I've always suspected as well. These so-called 18-year-old Kenyans running 12:55 are actually 14-year-olds trying to sneak into adult races!