Even if you use your real name, taking shots at someone (whether true or not) while hiding behind a keyboard is really lame and stinks of insecurity.
Even if you use your real name, taking shots at someone (whether true or not) while hiding behind a keyboard is really lame and stinks of insecurity.
Kcfan wrote:
I just don't understand how people can not be suspicious. It's not like he ran a 1:08 or something. He ran sub 1:04 at 45...most people can't run a 1:04, much less at 45.
Yes, I know, he ran a 14:11 5k. That too...at 45!
How?
That is really poor logic. I suppose every elite must be cheating since most people can't run the times they do?
My point previously posted is that he ran 28:48 13 years ago off only a few years' development. It's not crazy for a talented runner to run slower equivalent times at an older age with good training.
MasterBlasterMan wrote:
I didn't want to flat out say it, but yes, you got my implication. Because let's be honest...I'm sure I'm not the only one who wonders. Even though he is a late comer to the game, he still been running for a while now. But here lately he really seems to be on fire and is making it look pretty dang easy. I certainly hope he's clean anyway. I'd be pretty disappointed to find out otherwise.
You sound like socal cush. Always ready to others under the PED bus. But unwilling to let themselves get tested to claim masters age records. ... let's talk about projecting.
PureLogic wrote:
Riddle me this. If he's clean, and everyone thinks he's clean...why have the mods not deleted this thread?
The question is, why did they delete the other one and not this one? Why not keep them both, or merge them? If it's related to content , then there is a serious double standard going on, not in Kevin's favor.
Before EPO Eddy got talk was it just like this Kevin thing? I mean was there a lot of talk about what kinda guy he was. He was known for taking people's money I believe. Was the same talk going on? I don't remember.
RU socal cush wrote:
You sound like socal cush. Always ready to others under the PED bus. But unwilling to let themselves get tested to claim masters age records. ... let's talk about projecting.
Not socal Cush. But as a masters runner myself, I would gladly submit to a test, and would even encourage it. At US champs or when money is on the line or records are set...it should be mandatory. Period. Otherwise there will always be that question.
Just wow... wrote:
I read that Kevin was going to run with Eddy until Eddy got busted.
Actually, this is the passage directly from the 2014 RW article:
"Kevin had decided he wanted a full-time coach; he briefly considered working with Eddy Hellebuyck, who hadn’t yet revealed his dark truth about doping."
Kinda weird...
Kevin laffyatte wrote:
Not sure but some told me a few months ago he used to not answer the door. This is not a troll but someone close to him told me this. Take it for what it's worth.
I never answer my door and there's no chance at all that someone's coming to drug test me. Actually, I've known several people who never answer their doors.
Holy cow folks leave the guy alone unless you have some actual information to discuss.
MasterBlasterMan wrote:
RU socal cush wrote:You sound like socal cush. Always ready to others under the PED bus. But unwilling to let themselves get tested to claim masters age records. ... let's talk about projecting.
Not socal Cush. But as a masters runner myself, I would gladly submit to a test, and would even encourage it. At US champs or when money is on the line or records are set...it should be mandatory. Period. Otherwise there will always be that question.
So, you agree that someone who continually attacks other runners (Lagat A sample; the B sample doesn't exist, nor do years and years of additional testing exist) yet refuses to let themselves get tested is most likely guilty of what they are accusing others of?
RU socal cush wrote:
So, you agree that someone who continually attacks other runners (Lagat A sample; the B sample doesn't exist, nor do years and years of additional testing exist) yet refuses to let themselves get tested is most likely guilty of what they are accusing others of?
I don't agree that someone who attacks others is necessarily guilty. There's no reason to be rude and attack others, but you'd be foolish not to at least question a remarkable performance. If somebody ever refuses to get tested, however, it would make me suspicious, regardless of what they say about others. If you're 100% sure you're legit, you should have no problem being tested and should welcome it. Prove the doubters wrong. But if you refuse...well, then there's probably something you've done that's at least questionable in your mind, even it it was completely legal, that makes you worry you might fail a test.
EPO is a placebo so doesn't matter anyway.
Psychologists call it projection. Accusing others of something you are doing makes alright for them to do in the mind of a cheater.
Kevin's run fast for some time now. He qualified for the marathon trials last year at the Jacksonville Half in 64:33. Now he's moved into the 45-49 age group and can challenge some records.
Kevin laffyatte wrote:
consistent excellence wrote:Kevin's run fast for some time now. He qualified for the marathon trials last year at the Jacksonville Half in 64:33. Now he's moved into the 45-49 age group and can challenge some records.
He also has a lot of unanswered questions.This school thing has me upset.
Dude let it go.. 35 seconds faster for a half(Jacksonville vs grandmas) isn't that much of an improvement especially on a different course/conditions. Track times are different because the variables are for the most part the same. I have read this entire thread and it seems that you too have a past with inappropriate behavior, admitting it doesn't make you any better. If he's done bad things it will come to light but that's not your place to decide when and how that will happen.
RU socal cush wrote:
Psychologists call it projection. Accusing others of something you are doing makes alright for them to do in the mind of a cheater.
Totally agree with you and I get what you're saying. But questioning a performance doesn't necessarily mean you're doing something wrong yourself. It might simply mean you're doubting whether your playing on a level field to begin with. I don't know whether he's clean or not, but what gets me is the casual attitude that some guys take here. "If he is dirty, it's okay. What does it hurt? It's not that important, etc." It's the same attitude as some of the posts in the other recent thread about Kiptoo claiming to be 40 and taking masters money. I know guys who have lost money to Castille, and while it might not be much, it certainly matters to them. Now in reality, PEDs or not, Castille will still beat them, unless your name is Meb, Bernard, or Abdi. But it's really more than just head to head results. Think about it. Kevin is going to be re-writing the age grading tables. Anyone who comes along in the years after him has every right to hope that those tables are legit and legal. If they're not, guys could be loosing out in age-graded money in years to come because they would have a higher standard to meet than some of the older guys.
impartiality wrote:
Holy cow folks leave the guy alone unless you have some actual information to discuss.
Yep. This thread is heavy on innuendo and short on substance.
Age 50 WR is 1:06:23. He might be able to dip under 1:06 in 5 years.
That would be more impressive.
Kcfan wrote:
I just don't understand how people can not be suspicious. It's not like he ran a 1:08 or something. He ran sub 1:04 at 45...most people can't run a 1:04, much less at 45.
Yes, I know, he ran a 14:11 5k. That too...at 45!
How?
I think we know how. Sure, I'd like to think he's clean, but there isn't an elite endurance athlete is any sport that I don't view suspiciously. It isn't just running. Is it possible he's clean? Yes. Is it possible he's doping? Absolutely.
Get a taste of that prize money, free travel and other perks and suddenly you're looking for a shortcut to faster times and longevity. I'll never trust any record past or present 100%.
How often are masters runners tested?
Seems like someone who is not making a whole lot of money off races and setting records no one really cares all that much about could pretty easily dope and get away with it.