BBC/ProPublica Strike Again - Dr. Jeffrey Brown also doctored Magness' medical records before giving them to USADA

How can people overlook that Magness was seeing dr brown on his own in High school. Does he run 4:01 if he's not going to an endocrinologist? Is he sending other UH athletes to an endocrinologist?

If I found out sam Worley after finishing 4th at foot locker in the off season started seeing an endocrinologist and is now unbearable I'd either raise an eyebrow or tell every other competitive athlete to go to the dark side

Hxdjjdjdxkxx wrote:

How can people overlook that Magness was seeing dr brown on his own in High school. Does he run 4:01 if he's not going to an endocrinologist? Is he sending other UH athletes to an endocrinologist?

If I found out sam Worley after finishing 4th at foot locker in the off season started seeing an endocrinologist and is now unbearable I'd either raise an eyebrow or tell every other competitive athlete to go to the dark side

Magness went to HS just 30 minutes away from where Dr. Brown practices and legitimately has Hashimoto's disease. He was diagnosed as a 14 year old.

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Magness himself has begun to question whether he wasn't diagnosed by Dr Brown with Hashimoto's as a kid for the performance enhancing effects of the treatment.The point is, though, that he was a kid and Brown was his doctor. Whatever happened back then, it wasn't Magness' fault.

3hr-marathoner wrote:

The jackals that come on here and criticise whistle-blowers make me sick. If this sport is to be cleaned, it's going to require more people on the inside to follow their conscience as Magness has.

Totally agree. People don't want it to be true, so they deflect as much criticism as they possibly can on the whistleblower.

So out of every endocrinologist in Houston he happens to go to the one that would be Nikes front man. Coincidence surely.

If you find out sam Worley has been going to an endocrinologist for several years, my suspicion is raised or I'm sending every high school kid with talent and money there to even the playing field.

Hxdjjdjdxkxx wrote:

So out of every endocrinologist in Houston he happens to go to the one that would be Nikes front man. Coincidence surely.

If you find out sam Worley has been going to an endocrinologist for several years, my suspicion is raised or I'm sending every high school kid with talent and money there to even the playing field.

Did you read anything. You realize mark Whetmore sent Goucher there? Then Salazar met Brown.

You realize that Brown wasn't a Nike man until after that occurred...much after when Magness was a teenager.

Hxdjjdjdxkxx wrote:

So out of every endocrinologist in Houston he happens to go to the one that would be Nikes front man. Coincidence surely.

Hey, Nike PR Trollboy, he happened to go to a doctor THAT MANY YEARS LATER would be Nike's front man in doctoring medical records.

Hxdjjdjdxkxx wrote:

So out of every endocrinologist in Houston he happens to go to the one that would be Nikes front man. Coincidence surely.

If you find out sam Worley has been going to an endocrinologist for several years, my suspicion is raised or I'm sending every high school kid with talent and money there to even the playing field.

Well, has Dr. Brown been Nike's front man since Magness went to them as a freshman in HS in 1998?

Several posters here don't seem to understand the meaning of the phrase "front man".

People are being harsh on Magness for good reason.

I know some of you are happy that's he's a whistle blower but to the rest of us, we understand there are two types:

1) Whistleblowers who are completely secure in their positioning with the wrongdoers, but feel morally obligated to speak the truth and not be a part.

2) Whistleblowers who have something to gain whether it be immunity professionally or vengeance from being let go. These speak out for motivations other than morality and that alone means it may not be truthful.

Magness stinks of the latter.

Personally, I think what Magness says have some truth to it. But, I think he was a HUGE part of whatever dark grey area Salazar lived in. Magness, IMO, was not just a Guinea pig for tests. I'd put money that he did the research and suggested the items. By everything I've heard, the other athletes (Goucher, Magness, Solinksy) were using Brown way before AlSal ever touched him.

Do we really think AlSal corrupted him? I don't.

I think he was referred by those people for a reason.

At the end of the day, Magness is just as guilty as any of them. He's only speaking out now because he got fired.

And I can't fully trust a revenge plot.

The medical board can decide if it's a big deal.

The odd thing about this whole story is that Brown works with lots of other elite athletes and, in some cases, with the same athletes before Salazar. Yet no one seems interested in investigating the bigger picture here. It's almost as if people decided that some athletes are exempt from scrutiny.

Also, these are minor notes to respond to your other point,

1. I believe the USADA report criticized Magness's cooperation, right?

2. Salazar debunked his big pill-in-the-book claim with a contemporaneous email There was no response from Magness.

Yes, we know about the testosterone test from 2009 or 2010 and the admitted use of testoboost. I think that is a drink other runners used as well for a while.

presenter1 wrote:

Magness was a potential cheat before he was a whistleblower. He was seeing Dr. Brown (along with the Gouchers and others Wetmore athletes) long before the NOP ever came into the picture and he is the only one, from what I can tell, that can be proven to have taken more than 50ml of the legal supplement, L-Carnitine.

I fear Epstein and Bloom will continually take the bait from this possible pathological liar and narcissist without any skepticism? Just because someone says it's true doesn't mean it's true (think Duke LAX).

By the way, medical records get updated all of the time after the patient leaves with their visit copy. Sorry to burst everyone's bubble on that.

Spot the Nike employee.

My question, from the very initial BBC Panorama and ProPublica reports, from Epstein, Marc Daly, Magness and the Gouchers, is not directed at truthfulness, but, taking 100% truthfulness for granted, where is the anti-doping rule violation of an athlete subject to anti-doping rules?Kara promised us a day of reckoning, based on details not made public but shared with USADA.Yet here we are, two years later, and the best angle seems to be challenging Alberto's need for testosterone, despite notes from doctors and pharmacists, and alleged infusions that USADA has determined must have exceeded the allowable 50ml infusions. You called this the equivalent of a parking ticket - it still is. (For some reason, I prefer the analogy of "jaywalking".)My opinion then, was that USADA's only possible course of actions were:- Turn over evidence to appropriate state, federal, or international authorities, and help facilitate or assist in any investigations in the right jurisdictions- Lobby WADA to make thyroid, L-carnitine prohibited substances, or somehow make prescription drug abuse a prohibited methodAfter five years of targeted investigation and testing, and voluntary co-operation from at least 19 former Nike athletes and employees, USADA chasing after 50ml infusions seems to be a desparate act and a tacit admission that they have nothing better.I'm convinced that USADA didn't leak this report on purpose, because it seems to be 269 pages of embarrassingly little substance confirming an actual anti-doping rule violation ever took place.The initial BBC Panorama and ProPublica reports were equally premature, sparking a conversation among a population who still doesn't fully understand that thyroid medication never required a TUE, and that L-carnitine is as legal, in all quantities, as a juicy steak.

rojo wrote:

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Everything he has said has actually been proven to be true. The more that we learn, the more we learn why he was suspicious about what was going on.

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Not those guys wrote:

People are being harsh on Magness for good reason.

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But, I think he was a HUGE part of whatever dark grey area Salazar lived in.

You are right about Magness, but identified yourself as a Nike shill with the grey area comment. Using prohibited methods amounts to doping according to the WADA code, and may result in a 4-year ban if considered intentional (and this looks very intentional). That is black, not grey.

1. Nobody cares about l-carnitine

2. Nobody cares about an IV that had nothing banned or useful in it. 50ml is a stupid, arbitrary, unenforceable rule.

Magness has told many people, prior to when this all blew up, that it's EPO, HGH, testosterone, etc. So, L-Carn and TUEs are just the surface.

OnTehInside wrote:

Magness has told many people, prior to when this all blew up, that it's EPO, HGH, testosterone, etc. So, L-Carn and TUEs are just the surface.

^This. Just read about Magness' tempo run after the "carnitin" IV. Or think about why Salazar would risk 4-year bans for a prohibited method if there was nothing to gain from it.

Don't be ridiculous. It seems pretty clear that they used prohibited methods to infuse a non-prohibited substance. And Dr. Brown or someone in his office may have altered medical records to try to cover their tracks. How an agency like USADA or WADA would choose to adjudicate these transgressions is far from clear, although USADA's inaction suggests they're not inclined to do much. Brown may yet have a day of reckoning with the Texas medical board.But the idea that after all this digging, whispering, leaks, whistle blowing, and sworn testimony there's actually a treasure trove of EPO, HGH, and more still to be uncovered is ridiculous. I dislike Salazar's methods but I find it hard to believe that so many people with axes to grind can blow whistles for so long, this report can be leaked, and yet there's this magic mound of evidence people have just missed.

bmg wrote:

OnTehInside wrote:

Magness has told many people, prior to when this all blew up, that it's EPO, HGH, testosterone, etc. So, L-Carn and TUEs are just the surface.

^This. Just read about Magness' tempo run after the "carnitin" IV. Or think about why Salazar would risk 4-year bans for a prohibited method if there was nothing to gain from it.

Am hearing about a petition being submitted to UIL to remove Magness' state title and performances in light of him being involved with Dr. Brown in high school and his 4:01 performance.

Wonder how many signatures it is going to need?