FOL wrote:
if Lance Armstrong wanted to run a sub 5 minute NOW, he could no problem. I'd love to dig up his high school track times before he turned pro for those triathlons at the age of 16. He is a damn talented athlete at whatever he wants to do.
Would you read what Armstong himself has to say? Or do the facts matter to you at all?
do you really think he was serious?come on now....look at the facts and be realistic. he has done it before when he was a teenager. that can be proven if you go back and find track results from his high school and middle school races back in Plano.Yes, facts do matter to me.
Back to Armstrong's own words wrote:
Would you read what Armstong himself has to say? Or do the facts matter to you at all?[/quote]
. wrote:
Look up the definition of "sarcasm". Lance has run three sub five minute miles (5k) in a row AFTER swimming 1/2 mile and biking 15 miles. This was in a triathlon when he was a teen. He could probably run under 4 minutes.
no, he could never run a sub 4 now. never ever. running and cycling are two COMPETELY different sports. Lance woudl have to train A LOT...train meaning running training...to run sub 4 .
I was a runner for 20 years, now i am a cyclist. You don't even want to know how pathetic i run these days IF i happen to go out and jog for a bit. I train a lot, many more hours now than as a runner, but holy shit, do i suck in running now!!!! I doubt i would be able to run 43min. for 10k now, I used to run 33min. and i just competed in the women's version of the Tour de France. so no, running and cycling are two completely absolutely different sports and if you don't train running, no matter how great you are on teh bike, you suck at it, and even a Lance Armstriong would not be able to break 4 just like that.
cheers from france,
lilli
sorry lilli that you suck at running now, but in addition to lance's off seasing riding, much of his conditioning includes a great deal of running and swimming. in fact, he periodically will join the University of Texas men's swimming team for workouts during his offseason training.
the guy is a freak of nature and comparing yourself to him, i am sorry to say, is insulting to lance's incredible wide ranging ability to be very good at endurance sports.
Lance could break 5... already been established. Gonna have to say he couldn't break 4. He may be a machine, but he's also a pretty big machine. Perhaps with a LOT of specific training he would be able to do it, but don't be a dipshit... no one just goes out and runs sub 4 cause they want to... who isn't a very well established track athlete. And no that shouldn't take away from the amazing athlete and champion lance is... but come on. Think about it just a little.
ciclista,i am not getting into a name calling match with you, but where did i assert lance could break 4 minutes? 5 minutes, yes, i no he has and know he can now if he wants to.
ciclista wrote:
Lance could break 5... already been established. Gonna have to say he couldn't break 4. He may be a machine, but he's also a pretty big machine. Perhaps with a LOT of specific training he would be able to do it, but don't be a dipshit... no one just goes out and runs sub 4 cause they want to... who isn't a very well established track athlete. And no that shouldn't take away from the amazing athlete and champion lance is... but come on. Think about it just a little.
my apologies man... I'm just lazy... I always reply to the last post... that comment was directed to "." or whomever it was that said that. Nothing personal... wasn't trying to incinuate anything.
Lilli Kleinmann wrote:
holy shit, do i suck in running now!!!! I doubt i would be able to run 43min. for 10k now, I used to run 33min.
lilli
that could be because you're a woman. one of the advantages of being a dude is that testosterone allows a lot more strength development without requiring proportional increases in muscle size. if a (fit) woman wants to get stronger, she's gonna get heavier. the muscles used in biking aren't all helpful to running and, with the exception of genetic supercyclists like lyne bessette, female cyclists legs are pretty huge and dense. it makes sense, then, that being a female cyclist would hold you back in your running.
I remember an article about two years back in the ill-reputed Runner's World which went over Lance's potential capabilities for a marathon. He himself I believe predicted that he could do a 2:09. Of couse I don't believe that. Although he is a machine, his mechanics are not right for a marathon, anyways not at this point. Maybe with training.
I agree that Lance was joking when he said the thing about running four laps in under 5:00...but I think he was simply joking about the fact that a 5:00 min mile isn't that impressive compared to what he does on the bike. In other words, he would like to run under 5 in the mile, but he knows that's really nothing special. I think he could run under 5 with very little training. But sub 4?? Nah.
FOL wrote:
sorry lilli that you suck at running now, but in addition to lance's off seasing riding, much of his conditioning includes a great deal of running and swimming. in fact, he periodically will join the University of Texas men's swimming team for workouts during his offseason training.
the guy is a freak of nature and comparing yourself to him, i am sorry to say, is insulting to lance's incredible wide ranging ability to be very good at endurance sports.
Sorry I find it hard to believe that Lance swims much less with the UT team. I have not seen this documented anywhere.
Lance does a few off road duathlons around Austin.
Not sure I would call the running he does "a great deal". I'll ask his coach next time I see him.
FOL wrote:
the guy is a freak of nature and comparing yourself to him, i am sorry to say, is insulting to lance's incredible wide ranging ability to be very good at endurance sports.
"insulting"?! what a crock. get over yourself.
I know people who swam for UT and had Kris Kubik, the men's asst coach tell me himself when i was in Austin. if you are so sure, feel free to contact him and verify. don't be mistaken, he isn't there day after day cranking our yardage with them and any team, including UT's swimming, would gladly have Lance workout with them, regardless of his ability given what he has done. the point is, the guy is an animal, has incredible endurance and skill at cycling, swimming AND running. could he be a world class runner? who knows, but that is not what this thread was asking about. has he and can he run under 5 minutes for a mile? absolutely. there are far less talented high school girls breaking 5 minutes for the mile....it isn't that big of a deal.feel free to inquire with people living in austin as it is well known about his off season training, which includes a good deal of running.
luv2run wrote:
Sorry I find it hard to believe that Lance swims much less with the UT team. I have not seen this documented anywhere.
Lance does a few off road duathlons around Austin.
Not sure I would call the running he does "a great deal". I'll ask his coach next time I see him.
wrong, Lance is fully serious. He believed a 5min mile ON THE TRACK would be tough as hell. Does this prove he can or cant do it? hell no
I used to run some with world class triathlete Alec Rukosuev and he would do local 5k's during his triathalon training in the mid to high 15:00's then he would leave to meet some guys for a bike ride. I did a few workouts with him and he was pretty quick. I think he told me once his 10k PR not in a triathlon was well under 31:00.
Read what it's called--"one more sporting ambition" of running a 5 minute mile (technically, a 5 minute 1600, but let's not fault Lance for that, right?) Perhaps he ran a 5:12 as a freshman in HS, and has wanted to run under 5 ever since then. Not that he thinks it would be difficult for him --the 'hurting for a week' comment notwithstanding--but he just wants to do it since he couldn't when he was younger. He knows he can't run sub 4, just as he knows Bekele couldn't hop on a bike and win a stage of the T de F. And no, I don't think he has ever been close to 5:00 miles in any of his triathlons or duathlons.
Found it wrote:
Let's put to bed the speculation on Lance Armstrong's running potential, and let Lance Armstrong answer the question himself.
In an interview for UK Times Online by Alastair Campbell, printed Saturday Feb 28, 2004, Campbell said, "In any event, beyond winning another Tour, Armstrong has one more sporting ambition he has to fulfil. He wants to run a sub-five minute mile." Quoting Armstrong, "I'd hurt for a week after but I'd love to see if I could do that. Four laps, 75 seconds a lap, wouldn't that be something?"
End of story.
Since you all are so fast why don't you go compete in a triathlon and see how you do? You sub 30:00 10k types will get KILLED (brutally I might add) by these slow 10k guys turned triathlete. Freaking smug asses. Tri guys don't run well in open 10ks. That's a no brainer. Ask yourself why? Because they are training for races 2, 3, 4 times as long.
I love this guy's logic. What a doof. He thinks that I'd get killed in a tri because my thousands of miles of aerobic running base don't translate to shit on a bike. However, Mr. Untouchable Lance has ridden thousands of miles on his bike and is therefore a snap to run like Alan Culpepper. Can someone explain that one to me? I'm willing to bet Lance is no more likely to become a great runner than I am at becoming a great cyclist, and I'm a damn fast runner.
Lance is arrogant.... if he made a claim to running and was serious, he'd probably say that he ran -4 in high school.
He'd round down, not up
gav800 wrote:
He'd round down, not up
There is a difference between being arrogant and being a liar. Lance may be the former, but he usually can back up what he says.
while lance is a somewhat arrogant person (if anyone's earned the right I'd say it's him) wouldn't you think it'd be fitting to make light of running a sub 5 mile (although not for him or most anyone on this board) a not too taxing effort but something that eludes your average american?