The Russians Have Hacked WADA: Leaked Drug Tests/TUEs - Real or Not?

Return the favor wrote:

Rupp. Rupp. Rupp.

The excuses are already being provided by the public relations machine. There are a lot of those before your post.

I think this has the potential to be really interesting, but let's not let get carried away by expectations. Say they release Farah's and Bolt's TUE's (if they have any) - it's not going to list testosterone, HGH, and EPO, or anything like that. The real game-changer drugs are probably not going to be listed at all.

I'd also be wary of it backfiring to some extent. Some athletes might be totally doped up, but none of their dope involves use of TUEs. So when they are revealed not to have any TUEs listed, that will make them look clean to much of the public.

Releasing TUEs is just an invasion of athletes' privacy. There may be very private health issues that are being published for all to see. I'd be more impressed if the hackers released missed tests or biological passport anomalies.

Unimpressed wrote:

Releasing TUEs is just an invasion of athletes' privacy. There may be very private health issues that are being published for all to see. I'd be more impressed if the hackers released missed tests or biological passport anomalies.

I just looked over all the documents again and I took down my mirror for this reason. I don't think any of these specifically are necessarily super private, but in principle I don't really like the idea of releasing these types of medical records if they are not really suspicious.

If this is the best they've got, it's pretty boring.

Simone Biles has a prescription for Ritalin, big whoop.

It's just that 84% of the idiots that read the headlines won't read any further and I guess that's the whole point of this 'leak'.

poppin addy wrote:

5K Kenny wrote:http://fancybear.net/

Claiming to have hacked WADA...

Wow it shows that Simone Biles was taking amphetamine DURING the Games.

So far this is much about nothing.

Simon Biles positive test is actually a good thing as it shows that the drug tests are working. What the Russians don't tell you is that Biles is allowed to have the stimulant she tested positive for in her system as she has ADHD.

Biles tested positive for the stimulant methylphenidate. That's not a doping violation, however, as she openly stated on her TUE declaration that she takes Focalin - a drug used to treat ADHD. She is allowed to take Focalin because she has a prescription for it and listed it under her Therapeutic Use Exemptions. As the International Federation of Gymnastics said to RT.com, "She [Biles] has a therapeutic use exemption, there is nothing we have to mention about that, everything is absolutely clear and according to the rules.”"

Focalin and Adderall are two of the most common drugs used to treat ADHD.

Use Focalin: Never miss the uneven parallel bars again.

All these damn TUE's. Athletes are such fragile things, I'm surprised they even go outdoors.

cleans wrote:

All these damn TUE's. Athletes are such fragile things, I'm surprised they even go outdoors.

In that light, I did email the hackers and said we'd be very interested in seeing the TUE's for all prominent track and field athletes - particularly the distance stars.

cleans wrote:

All these damn TUE's. Athletes are such fragile things, I'm surprised they even go outdoors.

It is amazing how many "posters" have already discounted release of TUE information. ‘It doesn't mean anything’—‘This information should be private’—blah, blah, blah.

It is very important to learn how many 'top' athletes need TUEs to be the 'best'. Most every knowledgeable person sees the granting of TUEs is very high for top athletes.

We need to see Bolt and Phelps!

Amazing Excuses, TUEs wrote:

cleans wrote:

All these damn TUE's. Athletes are such fragile things, I'm surprised they even go outdoors.

It is amazing how many "posters" have already discounted release of TUE information. ‘It doesn't mean anything’—‘This information should be private’—blah, blah, blah.

It is very important to learn how many 'top' athletes need TUEs to be the 'best'. Most every knowledgeable person sees the granting of TUEs is very high for top athletes.

Exactly. TUE's often mean that you're good at paperwork. You're still taking stuff. I could get a TUE for testosterone tomorrow. Is that fair?

rojo wrote:

cleans wrote:

All these damn TUE's. Athletes are such fragile things, I'm surprised they even go outdoors.

In that light, I did email the hackers and said we'd be very interested in seeing the TUE's for all prominent track and field athletes - particularly the distance stars.

The data should be reviewed and compared against the general population getting similar TUEs; type of TUE and overall quantity of TUEs. Of course there will be those who are against such scrutiny of the data. The TUE game needs to have the door shut on it.

How to shut the door? Have independent medical professionals review the heath data and determine whether the TUE should be granted, and consider whether the athlete did not do "something" in order to get the TUE; like running up unventilated stairs prior to be tested to put themselves into a condition that requires medical "help". Athletes are gaming the system. That much is clear.

cleans wrote:

Holy Cow.

This is a well written site, suggesting that this is something quite well planned.

Looking forward to someone validating the authenticity of the Serena Williams documentation. :)

In a Joe Rogan podcast, Victor Conte claimed that Serina was the biggest drug cheat on the tour. She would tell testers that she was in one city, jet to another, and then claim that she had a family emergency. He said the entire tour knew that she dodged tests.

Like a lot of people,I was waiting for striking news.

The fact thet Biles has ADHD is a well known fact. It is even written in her biography that it is the very reason that she took gymnastics.

This was super disappointing. The extended periods of time between TUEs for Williams certainly don't look like a pattern of abuse/doping. I annually had to take prednisone to alleviate severe allergies - some years multiple times.

I'll be much more curious if they can release a string of associated runners all on similar TUEs. It would be particularly interesting to see if certain groups have been overusing Thyroxin etc.

who invented Therapeutic Use Exemption? was it a way for Briton and the USA to compete with Russian and east Africans? we figure out how to test for EPO etc, but we allow brits and USA athletes to take TUE's that are 90% as good as the PEDs and boooom now we can compete with mostly clean east africans

low 13:00s, we can do now with TUEs, clean Kenyans and Ethiopians run low 13:00s....now things are exciting

american woman on TUEs can run sub 4 1500m, clean russians now run ~4:00...get rid of diababa and well shoot we are the best in the world

rupp on TUEs can run 26:40's and that makes him a silver medalist. like some are saying, TUEs are cheating. if you need a TUE (or a cocktail of them) to maintain being a Pro athlete then you are not a Pro athlete.

you take PEDs and TUEs for the same reasons, to help with recovery, do more intense workouts and gain an advantage....or and because somehow all Pro athletes have a thyroid problem

Yes, Ritalin and eye-drops are '90% as effective' as EPO.

Also, your beloved East Africans can have (and do have) TUEs as well. (and at the top level, they're not mostly clean)

rojo wrote:

cleans wrote:

All these damn TUE's. Athletes are such fragile things, I'm surprised they even go outdoors.

In that light, I did email the hackers and said we'd be very interested in seeing the TUE's for all prominent track and field athletes - particularly the distance stars.

Funny, as soon as I saw I emailed them as well asking the same thing. I'm not really expecting a response but I'll post here if I find anything. If the WADA explanation is right and they just got all this info through phishing, they might simply have no more to share if only a few people fell for it.