* Make that 6th.
* Make that 6th.
I love Jim Ryun, he's my hero and the personality that drew me to the sport, he was talent, hard work, and determination personified, but man, he choked so many times it's not funny, after 1968. Sure he busted out a brilliant 3:52 mile just before Munich, but that was his last hurrah.
Of course he had his dominating, GOAT years, but to say he never choked is false.
As far as Asbel being done, we'll see. Remember he was done with a 4th at worlds in 2009 when he was 19 or 20, right?
Asbel will medal in Rio, I'd bet my left nut on that. HOWEVER! My current pick for gold is Mr. Matthew Centrowitz.
i have no idea what this nonsense is
Ryun was not beaten for 3y before mexico over 1500/mile
he was finished in '68 by mono + hamstring injury
nothing "choke"
in '68 trials he bombed out of 800 because of mono but luckily won 1500
in '72 trials when shadow of '67, he ran outrageous 11-mid at 400 - 500 in trials final, forcing wottle to run 1'44.3wr=
wottle's legendary -ve split wr was all down to Ryun trying to force some semblance of his incredible '67 shape into '72 trials
trials pdf reckons wottle was good for 1'43-low that meet
go fetch "olympic trials pdf"
IMO, a hugely post-peak Ryun was likely hugely quicker at maybe 1'42 -low/mid, but suicidal 11-mid at 400 finished him, missing 3rd by a dip
all likely down to exuberance
tragic loss as virtually 100% certain Ryun wouda won munich 800 gold, even if wottle 100% fit, & same certainty of 1500 as his trials shape indicated 3'29+ shape
Huh, Renato fled the country and abandoned his charges. Totally understandable.
And know that Ryun wasn't a christian yet when he was running those gaudy times, so it's anyone's guess what kind of sneaky cheating ways he was up to.
dafdfd wrote:
It's funny how one of the posters above dismissed Kiprop and Farah while praising Bannister and Ryun by saying, "They were world record holders. Kiprop and Farah, not so much." Kiprop is the third fastest ever! Farah is top ten all-time in the history of the world. And if you're so sure that Farah and Kiprop are doping...who's to say that Ryun and Bannister weren't doping in their own way. I'd say it's just as likely if not more so since there weren't exactly strict regulations back then.
Metric Miler wrote:
ukuv wrote:I love when people provide evidence against their OWN arguments. Like I said, Farah has the 2nd or 3rd faster PR. Only Kiprop is faster.
You said wrong.
Farah is the equal 5th fastest 1500m runner on the scene right now.
He has proven himself time and again to be the best over 5k/10k.
The choice is simple for anyone but a fool.
No, I did not say wrong. You just can't read. In this race, Farah has the 2nd or 3rd fastest PR.
I didn't say he was or wasn't the best over 5k and 10k. You made up that argument. That makes you the fool. What I actually said was that the 1500 is his best event. Only a fool would disagree.
rojo wrote:
OP is an idiot. Back in the day, the starts didn't have to race all out time after time as there were no rabbits.
Our race recap is up (it's being edited so maybe wait 5 minutes):
http://www.letsrun.com/news/2016/07/ronald-kwemoi-upsets-asbel-kiprop-monaco-history-will-wait-100th-sub-330-clocking/Kwemoi went from 7th to 1st!!! on the last lap. He was behind Farah and got the win.
So they have an advantege because they didn't have rabits? Maybe they actually needed to work hard to run fast, something that big mouth shoboats like Farrah and and Kiprop have never done.
But I wasn't even talking about that, my point was just that these guys could learn a lot about how to carry themselves with class from more old school guys. Ryun, Liquori, Bannister, Symmonds, all good guys Farah and Kips could learn about understatement from
Your best event is the event where you have the fastest time period. So a 3.28 is way beter then a 12:50 5k. Maybe you could say that Mo's most sucsesfull events are the 5 and 10 k but it are not his best. Don't forget how often Mo actualy races his best event
I'm certain I can beat Usain Bolt over five metres. It's my best event.
Metric Miler wrote:
Farah is the equal 6th fastest 1500m runner on the scene right now.
He has proven himself time and again to be the best over 5k/10k.
The choice is simple for anyone but a fool.
This ^^^
Not even an argument.
]calculo wrote:
jjj wrote:If Mo could have run 3:27 low last year, according to ventolin, then why didn't he win this one?
also, the wrecking that ole body took desperately trying to win the cardiff 1/2M looks to have permanently finished his speed as shown by fellow-camper in .[/quote]
Lol I seriously doubt that running a not-that-fast half marathon 'permanently finished his speed...'
3 of the 4 people who beat Farrah in the race had a faster, or equal PR than he does.
Farrah PR: 3:28.81
1) Ronald KWEMOI PR: 3:28.81
2) MANANGOI, Elijah Motonei PR: 3:29.67
3) MAKHLOUFI, Taoufik PR: 3:29.75
4) IGUIDER, Abdelaati PR: 3:28.75
Yes, Farrah got beat by someone with an equal PR and a worse PR. So did everyone 3, 4, and 6th place.
Yes, Kiprop had a poor race. Not terrible, but poor. So has ever other runner who has ever put on spikes. Everyone has poor races from time to time. However, Rio is the real race. Today was just practice.
Racist? Ur may be assholish. But how is it racist? Because that's how you know you can silence people you disagree with. Lib.
Were they at a night club? Any pics of them dancing trashed?
Typo Makhloufi: his PR is 3:28.75
LRC Commenter wrote:
Classic from these guys. All the tough talk, dancing around, making a big scene and then choking on the big day. Class act guys like Ryun or Bannister would never have let this happen. Needs to be more focus of strength and determination, not just raw speed.
They must have been hung over. I'd love to have seen them while they were trashed, dancing around and spouting out the "tough talk" though.
Some pretty fail-safe unfalsifiable circular logic we got going here. Running fast? Doper. Not running fast? Doper.
ukuv wrote:
Metric Miler wrote:You said wrong.
Farah is the equal 5th fastest 1500m runner on the scene right now.
He has proven himself time and again to be the best over 5k/10k.
The choice is simple for anyone but a fool.
No, I did not say wrong. You just can't read. In this race, Farah has the 2nd or 3rd fastest PR.
I didn't say he was or wasn't the best over 5k and 10k. You made up that argument. That makes you the fool. What I actually said was that the 1500 is his best event. Only a fool would disagree.
ukuv's logic means he thinks Galen Rupp's best event is the mile.
Makes a whole lot of sense for someone doing the 10K Marathon double at Rio.
Farah is clearly a mile-1500 guy. He's figured out that the distance fields are significantly weaker right now, and took his talent there. Enough doping and mileage would make kiprop the 10k world leader too. Same goes for makhloufi and kwemoi
ISBN wrote:
I thought you said Kiprop was in 3:26/27 shape Ventolin^3?
He had 54 low, 1:50 pace, company on the 3rd lap, and died terribly. That pace was ideal for a sub 3:30.
I wonder if all the slow times this year are down to increased scrutiny of Aden's and Rosa's athletes!
The pacemakers fell apart from 700-1000m. Kiprop was up so close to Kivuva that he ran right into the back of him when stepped aside at 1020m, stumbled, got overtaken by Iguider, and then his heart wasn't in it as WR was gone.
The man spent the spring destroying his compatriots in training and races, demonstrating he's quite probably in his best shape ever, and he ran 3:26 last year. He's obviously capable of running well under 3:30 again this summer.
Unlike El G, he's not a machine that cranks out sub 3:30 on a weekly basis without it taking a lot out of him mentally and physically.
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