Michael Slagowski 48.54 open 400.

Yep. Looks a lot like Cram.

Considering there is not a college kid in the country right now that can run sub 350, I don't see that happening anytime soon. Hell, there is only 1 professional runner in this country I would give better than 25% odds at breaking 3:50 this year (or at least having the ability to do it), and that is Centro. Slagowski has proven that he has incredible range, but lets ease off the throttle a bit on the expectations.

They are talking about sub 3:50 potential as an adult, not this year. Learn to read please.

he also specifically referenced breaking 3:50 against college competition. How many races against college competition throughout the course of history have been won in under 3:50 (or even the equivalent 1500 time for that matter?)

Slagowski has never said he was going after the 800m record. More than likely he is also aiming for a fast mile. Webb didn't go 1:46 and I don't think he could have in high school. He was 1:47 high. Sure he went 1:43 when he was in 3:46 shape for the mile years later. The only high school kids we have seen go 1:46 were 46-47 400m guys. So I still say we have not seen anything from Slagowski to indicate a definite 1:46.

Is there a list of sub 1:48 800 guys all time that someone can link?

A 400m race is NOT a good predictor of a mile.

Given an 800m time, the faster he runs for the 400m, the slower his potential for the mile.

In fact, this 400 indicates he might not run that much faster for the mile, unless he runs much faster for 800m. Consider, Simmons is about the same speed for 400m, runs 1:42, and sucks at the mile.

He is smooth for a distance runner but he is over striding big time for that speed.

usnspecialist wrote:

Considering there is not a college kid in the country right now that can run sub 350, I don't see that happening anytime soon. Hell, there is only 1 professional runner in this country I would give better than 25% odds at breaking 3:50 this year (or at least having the ability to do it), and that is Centro. Slagowski has proven that he has incredible range, but lets ease off the throttle a bit on the expectations.

What does this years crop of college runners or Centro have to do with anything? None of them ever ran like Slagowski in high school, timewise, and more specifically to my point, none of them ever ran like him racewise -- flat out getting after it in races. That's Jim Ruyn territory. I see Slagowski as having much better potential than the likes of Joe Falcon, Todd Harbour or John Gregorek...or even Webb.

What expectations? I don't have any. I said clearly "I wouldn't blink if we were to see him run sub 3:50 against college competion" Nothing more. Heck, this year I wouldn't blink if he broke 3:56 in a high school only race.

High school success isn't a guarantee to future success -- Michael Granville and Baily Roth have proven this. I just don't see Slagowski's potential ending in high school like them.

I think what we're seeing is the beginning of something really special. Enjoy the ride.

usnspecialist wrote:

he also specifically referenced breaking 3:50 against college competition. How many races against college competition throughout the course of history have been won in under 3:50 (or even the equivalent 1500 time for that matter?)

None. That's my point.

for the dumb among us, a "hovered" race means what?

OP, I loved the video. Thanks for posting. He does get after it.

That being said, I'm not shocked why people are surprised by it. He ran the 4 x 400 after breaking 4:00 last week and I just split in in 47.91. I may have been a little late in starting is to so 48.0 maybe? 48.1.

Here's a video of that race. Warning, it doesn't look as impressive as he does get his doors blown off by a black guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec7vwHFqVw4

Why does the race of the guy matter? Do you refer to Slagowski as the "Polish guy'?

psychological disorder wrote:

for the dumb among us, a "hovered" race means what?

"Hoovered" ....to be sucked to a fast time.

rojo wrote:

Here's a video of that race. Warning, it doesn't look as impressive as he does get his doors blown off by a black guy.

I'm impressed that a black guy could beat a white high school kid who had just broken 4:00 in the mile. He really showed Slagowski, didn't he?

Something about his upper body form reminds me of Fermin Cacho. His lower body form is definitely Steve Cram-like.

This guy could be special at the next level. More top end speed than any sub-4 HS miler since Webb.

So why does he have better potential than Webb? Webb ran faster than him at every distance at this point in his career? Also given Webb ran 1:43 and 3:46 that would mean you could see Slagowski as a future World record holder? Wow Malmo you should be this kid's agent.

Metric Miler wrote:

Bigfootidaho wrote:https://youtu.be/6PZBGTVMSrU

The smoothness in the way he runs is incredible. Michael posted a state leading 48.5 for the open 400 last night with a standing start.

That is actually incredible speed for a sub 4 miler.

Don't wanna get excited but I think the kid could be capable of 1:46 low, maybe 1:46.2.

Definitely not incredible speed, but very good if he considers himself primarily a miler. It is not uncommon for a blue chip high school half miler to have 48x 400m credentials. The good thing is, his speed looks very natural, he looks like a middle distance runner sprinting. His bio-mechs looks very much like El G. With sprint training, to get rid of his hip rotation and learn how to cycle, he could probably run 47x, but why bother at this stage...I like the fact that he is not overtrained. In terms of this kid running low a 46 quarter, I would say no way. He just set a massive PR a week ago and the season is half way over, breaking 1:48 is possible, but I would not expect much more than that.

Btw, that was the first time I've ever seem an all-white 400m or any sprint for that matter. Nothing is meant by that statement other than I found it interesting.

Symmonds has run 3:34.55 for 1500m. This is faster than Robby Andrews' PR.