German Fernandez is BACK!!

He is close to back in the sense that a 28:06 is worth 13:30s (assuming a 30 second slowdown or so from a 5000m) and his pr in college as a freshman, the AJr, was 13:25. Variance from 5000m to 10000m differs from athlete to athlete, but consider some pr's:

Farah 12:53/26:46(?)=13:23/5k. 30 second slowdown (of course, he could have run a faster 5 and 10 with the right pacing).

Rupp 12:58/26:44=13:22/5k. 24 second slowdown.

Bekele 12:37/26:17=13:08/5k 31 second slowdown. Bekele could probably have run 26:10 or better with pacing to 20:00 or so.

As for the other guy above, I used to believe that if you are injury-prone, you'll never get over that, but it is often the question of the right exercises. I used to get injured every week or two in high school and college, almost never getting in any good block of training, even on very limited mileage, 20-40/week. But in my forties, I've been able to run well over 100 mpw with workouts fairly consistently because of a series of injury prevention exercises I've come across. Many of those would work with the pros as well.

Americans who have run 3:34 (or better) AND 28:06 track (or better):

Galen Rupp

Alan Webb

Matthew Tegenkamp

German Fernandez

Most people who have run 28:06 can't come close to 3:34. The 5000m has to be Fernandez's event. If he can't make it there, it's not going to happen at 10000m.

Yeah, and German was truly at the peak of his potential here. His 3:34 and immense talent are meaningless. 28:06 for 10k is truly a mediocre rust-buster, if he had any chance he would've had to debut in 26:59!

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Ok, Chris.......

Running is 'strange' with this guy, he always seems to be on the knife edge of an amazing performance. Everyone knows it's there, everyone; including himself. But how do you tap into that, access that part of your potential that you feel and know is within your reach?

Physical talent is not the issue for him, never has been - sifting out the bull$hit though from his presence and focussing on that one goal - making the US 10K team to Rio, is. Nothing less will do! The difference between what he just did out there and what some of the others who are running around similar times, is that there's way more in the bank physically for him to draw on yet. Let's see if he can continue now to put it out there, before you start taking a sarcastic crap on his super solid effort here.

I say he can make the team.

jjjjjj wrote:

in my forties, I've been able to run well over 100 mpw with workouts fairly consistently because of a series of injury prevention exercises I've come across. Many of those would work with the pros as well.

Examples? wrote:

jjjjjj wrote:

in my forties, I've been able to run well over 100 mpw with workouts fairly consistently because of a series of injury prevention exercises I've come across. Many of those would work with the pros as well.

+1 Please let us know what these exercises are. We're all in this together.

Montesquieu wrote:

Bobby Curtis has run 27:24--hardly "B" list.

Maybe so wrote:

The difference is, truth be told, Hansons runners are b-level runners plain and simple, they do not have the talent to make the team. Run a respectable time, run in the trials, yes for sure.

German has the raw talent that on a given day he can do something special,like make the team.

Hardly B list for an American maybe.

Chaim wrote:

Montesquieu wrote:

Bobby Curtis has run 27:24--hardly "B" list.

Hardly B list for an American maybe.

Faster than German will ever run.

He's like Jager, not training over 90 mpw. Which is less than the majority of his competition.

But Jager race is 1/3 the distance, and requires athleticism beyond running.

I like German but I don't think he can put in the consistent high miles to be a good 10k runner. Id Move him to the steeple and cross my fingers.

Move one of the most injury-prone professionals to the most injurious event? Seriously?

oheo wrote:

He's like Jager, not training over 90 mpw. Which is less than the majority of his competition.

But Jager race is 1/3 the distance, and requires athleticism beyond running.

I like German but I don't think he can put in the consistent high miles to be a good 10k runner. Id Move him to the steeple and cross my fingers.

The way you guys blow your load over German is hilarious.

Hi, Jamin! wrote:

The way you guys blow your load over German is hilarious.

German was one of the greatest high school talents that we've ever seen. Sure, he's struggled with injury and has consistently underperformed as of late, but German is a huge talent - and at only 24 years old - has plenty of unrealized potential.

oheo wrote:

He's like Jager, not training over 90 mpw. Which is less than the majority of his competition.

But Jager race is 1/3 the distance, and requires athleticism beyond running.

I like German but I don't think he can put in the consistent high miles to be a good 10k runner. Id Move him to the steeple and cross my fingers.

It is a 10km. 90mpw is plenty for a guy who has 3:34 wheels. Yes some 10k guys run 120mp. But a lot don't.

oldold runner wrote:

Yes he is. If he stays healthy he may make Rio team

To be back German needs the A standard. No one will make the Olympic team without the A standard going in to the Trials. Ritz (2012) was an outlier.

German needs to run 5,000 at Mt. Sac or Cardinal Invite. No reason he can't shoot for 5,000 A standard at either of those meets. German needs to show CONSISTENCY, something he hasn't done in the past. I am pulling for him tho.

Montesquieu wrote:

Bobby Curtis has run 27:24--hardly "B" list.

Maybe so wrote:

The difference is, truth be told, Hansons runners are b-level runners plain and simple, they do not have the talent to make the team. Run a respectable time, run in the trials, yes for sure.

German has the raw talent that on a given day he can do something special,like make the team.

Yes, and Bobby was ranked where in the world for 10k? Yes and what European races did he get lanes? Maybe while your looking where did he finish at world 1/2 championships or maybe world cross, top ten? Maybe world road race rankings please give us the list.

Bobby is a good national class runner, he a b level world class runner.

"No one will make the Olympic team without the A standard going in to the Trials."

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That may sound reasonable but it's simply not true - you can't be sure of that!

People can have great days and the race of their lives - German's improvement curve is immense. Just watch and learn.

I just looked at GF's 10k and his 5k split were 14:10/13:56. Give or take one or two tenth on either side.

[quote]jjjjjj wrote:

He is close to back in the sense that a 28:06 is worth 13:30s (assuming a 30 second slowdown or so from a 5000m) and his pr in college as a freshman, the AJr, was 13:25. Variance from 5000m to 10000m differs from athlete to athlete, but consider some pr's:

Farah 12:53/26:46(?)=13:23/5k. 30 second slowdown (of course, he could have run a faster 5 and 10 with the right pacing).

Rupp 12:58/26:44=13:22/5k. 24 second slowdown.

Bekele 12:37/26:17=13:08/5k 31 second slowdown. Bekele could probably have run 26:10 or better with pacing to 20:00 or so.'

I know the conversion but almost back to where you were in first year at college is not really back - it's backwards.

You have a valid point about injuries but these guys have better treatment than the rest of us

I don't know what' going to happen next with GF, but, like the rest of you who don't know, I'll chime in anyway. This guy is one of the greatest talents this country has produced - he's on a par with Ritz and Rupp. If he can stay healthy the next six months, I would say it's a dead lock cinch that he'll make the finals in the trials, and, maybe, the team. Given where he was (nowhere...) 2- 4 years ago, this is quite a thing.

Montesquieu wrote:

Bobby Curtis has run 27:24--hardly "B" list.

Maybe so wrote:

The difference is, truth be told, Hansons runners are b-level runners plain and simple, they do not have the talent to make the team. Run a respectable time, run in the trials, yes for sure.

German has the raw talent that on a given day he can do something special,like make the team.

I was just going to say that.