Outside the box wrote:
John Legere? I can't imagine he would do it as it would be a MASSIVE pay cut (per public filings he made $18 million in 2014 and $29 million in 2013 - depends on options).
With that said, if you are asking who the best person is - he has no ties to the old regime, experience turning around a large organization, is a running fan, and a very good promoter/marketer.
I could get behind that choice.
wejo wrote:
If we shut it down and start a new organization, someone needs to lead it. Who?
Nobody! Let it die and start the People's Track League on this website. Simple rules:
1) all races held anywhere are valid if backed up by quality video evidence and not sanctioned by any federation. Hand-timing allowed for 800 and up.
2) validated results posted on an overall leaderboard! Just like extremely popular road racing where you can see who you're better than, and not yet better than. Hundreds or thousands of opponents instead of 7.
3) The top 100 on the leaderboard will be designated "probable dopers." No wasting time and money on testing when nobody can be proven clean.
I doubt he'd do it, but here's a name for you Steve Miller. If anyone can turn crap to gold, it's him!
D3_Nuts wrote:
rekrunner wrote:Has anyone found that Coe did something wrong?
It's because he was oblivious to everything from a very senior position. Systemic corruption or negligence.
He doesn't seem to grasp in what serious trouble the sport is in and who the bad guys are.
The report today said "No one has, to the knowledge of the IC, challenged the scientific credentials of either Ashenden or Parisotto. " Actually one person has, Seb Coe. The fact Coe came out and called them "so called experts" says how far off his compass was.
No way! Despite his past accomplishments, Miller is currently tightly entwined with the corrupt Hightower administration.
Onceafastcat wrote:
I doubt he'd do it, but here's a name for you Steve Miller. If anyone can turn crap to gold, it's him!
Fay Vincent
edward teach wrote:
We need an outsider. Someone from a first world nation, where bribery is considered wrong.
Bribery occurs everywhere. There is no such thing as a pure country.
After reading the WADA IC wow-factor report part 2, answer me these questions:Is the sport actually in serious trouble? Why do you say that?Who are the bad guys? Are they still in the IAAF?The WADA IC also criticized Ashenden/Parisotto for appearing to draw conclusions based on what they should have known was incomplete information.
wejo wrote:
D3_Nuts wrote:It's because he was oblivious to everything from a very senior position. Systemic corruption or negligence.
He doesn't seem to grasp in what serious trouble the sport is in and who the bad guys are.
The report today said "No one has, to the knowledge of the IC, challenged the scientific credentials of either Ashenden or Parisotto. " Actually one person has, Seb Coe. The fact Coe came out and called them "so called experts" says how far off his compass was.
rekrunner wrote:After reading the WADA IC wow-factor report part 2, answer me these questions:
Is the sport actually in serious trouble? Why do you say that?
Who are the bad guys? Are they still in the IAAF?
You might ask Travis Tygart:
The head of the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency is baffled over how a report about the Russian track scandal could stop short of declaring track's governing body noncompliant with the world's anti-doping code.
"No entity can possibly be code compliant if your sport leaders extort athletes to cover up doping," U.S. Anti-Doping Agency CEO Travis Tygart told The Associated Press on Thursday, hours after the report was made public.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/ATH_IAAF_INVESTIGATION_REAX?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-01-14-17-47-35
I'm not so sure that some of the bad guys aren't in WADA. I see Dick Pound and the British head of WADA practically kissing Coe's a$$. All from the British Commonwealth.
coach d wrote:
I'm not so sure that some of the bad guys aren't in WADA. I see Dick Pound and the British head of WADA practically kissing Coe's a$$. All from the British Commonwealth.
More like White Anglo-Saxons (Yanks, Brits, Aussies, Kiwis and Canucks) sticking together. The Anglo media fought tooth and nail to get rid of Sepp Blatter, Michel Platini and all their corrupt cronies from FIFA. But here, they feared the presidency might slip back to third world control, hence the support for Lord Coe in spite of the evidence.
Don't throw the Yanks into that mix. The Brits never have gotten over the a$$ kicking they received from their former colony and being the ingrates they are won't acknowledge how the Yanks saved their very existence in WWII. And please keep in mind that one of the biggest IAAF a$$ kissers in the US is an African-American woman. If the Anglos had their way every nation with a stronger athletics team would be banned, including the US.
Clearly it has to be someone who was not intimately involved with the "ancien regime" that has been revealed as corrupt from top to bottom. This disqualifies Coe - who either knew and did/said nothing and is therefore as guilty as anyone else - or broke bread with the corrupt ones and noticed nothing was amiss in which case he displayed an amazing lack of insight, judgement, perception - which should also rule him out!
The sport will have to go to an outsider, possibly someone completely unattached to the sport in any way. Pay them a decent salary, monitor their expenses very closely, make it a rule that nobody in any position of importance serves for more than 5 (?) years. Do not allow any family members to be appointed to influential positions, do not accept any sort of commercial links with big sports companies. Have a body of external auditors scrutinise the biding process for any championships.
Many of these points appear pretty basic, even petty, but the has to get back to this level of simple, open government.
Bro-Jo -pick one.after he runs an organization of 50 people for 5 years.or right now, with Pound and Coe as advisors devoid of power.why. a Bro-Jo ? he is not a pig at the trough. bad habits are not well formed.Dick Pound you know is a tax lawyer, which features the best and worst properties of a professional, that you need to understand rules and rule breaking. i.e. tax lawyers hired to manipulate and dodge the law, albeit, in a "legal" way ....... something akin to Salazar's PED strategies.what a mess. what a bunch of characters.it's shakespeare all over again.
wejo wrote:
The press conference just ended and we're still digesting the 2nd WADA report on doping and corruption at the IAAF.
https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/wada_independent_commission_report_2_2016_en.pdfThe report says, "At least some of the members of the IAAF Council could not have been unaware of the extent of doping in Athletics and the non-enforcement of applicable antidoping rules."
Seb Coe, the current IAAF President was on the council, yet Dick Pound who oversaw the independent commission that issued the report said, "..i can’t think of anyone better than Lord Coe to lead that (the clean up of the IAAF)"
I think a lot of people would disagree with that assessment. Lord Coe also led a FIFA Ethics committee that did not uncover the corruption at FIFA.
But the question is if Lord Coe should not lead the IAAF who should? Most of the normal candidates were on the Council themselves or part of the old regime.
Getting rid of Lord Coe doesn't do anything unless we bring in someone better. Who would you suggest?
HRE wrote:
Frank Shorter.
nah, frank is too polar in opinion. best as an advisor.
It's over wrote:
The system is broken and can't be fixed. Time to shut it down. There is no one in waiting who would do a better job and that's the problem. Its a corrupt organization through and through. A clear break is the only option.
+1
Including WADA.
And we can't take any super star from the past, for that person would be default have been part of the system. Indeed somebody like a brojo or Tygart or Dr. Franke or Dr. Ashenden would be a better choice, if one really wants to see change.
If we wish to keep things as they are, let's keep people like Coe and Hightower in the power positions, which is evidently WADA's wish.
Mary Wittenberg
Condoleezza Rice wrote:
Mary Wittenberg
Condoleezza Rice
rekrunner wrote:
Has anyone found that Coe did something wrong?
Yes.
"The IAAF Council could not have been unaware of the extent of doping in athletics and the non-enforcement of applicable anti-doping rules."
"There was an evident lack of political appetite within the IAAF to confront Russia with the full extent of its known and suspected doping activities."
"Failure to have addressed such governance issues is an IAAF failure that cannot be blamed on a small group on miscreants. The opportunity existed for the IAAF to have addressed governance issues. No advantage was taken of that opportunity."
You can say that those quotes to not mention Coe specifically, which they do not. However he was a Senior VP and as such is part and parcel of setting the tone. If he did nothing to address any of these issues then that was wrong. The fact that the rest of the council was also negligent does not exempt Coe from his duty or excuse his failings.
Mr. Obvious wrote:
rekrunner wrote:Has anyone found that Coe did something wrong?
Yes.
"The IAAF Council could not have been unaware of the extent of doping in athletics and the non-enforcement of applicable anti-doping rules."
"There was an evident lack of political appetite within the IAAF to confront Russia with the full extent of its known and suspected doping activities."
"Failure to have addressed such governance issues is an IAAF failure that cannot be blamed on a small group on miscreants. The opportunity existed for the IAAF to have addressed governance issues. No advantage was taken of that opportunity."
You can say that those quotes to not mention Coe specifically, which they do not. However he was a Senior VP and as such is part and parcel of setting the tone. If he did nothing to address any of these issues then that was wrong. The fact that the rest of the council was also negligent does not exempt Coe from his duty or excuse his failings.
Without having seen the reasoning behind this assessment, I find it entirely plausible that the council, including Coe, was left in the dark on this business. The title of "Vice President" sounds impressive but it's in fact an entirely ceremonial role and in practice they're council members like the rest. Svein Arne Hansen is on the council and he was among the first meeting directors to declare that convicted drug users like Chambers were unwelcome at his meeting.
Dick Cheney