A few points on the "punishment"
1) The marathons should refuse to allow her to ever compete again and extend this penalty to athletes associated with her coach and/or manager until the fines are paid.
2)athletes finishing in positions behind the cheats should all demand to get "moved up" in the winnings.
ventolin^3 wrote:
what is this nonsense about 4y retrospective erasure ???
This might be the new norm with the biological passport given that they're looking at anomalous fluctuations in parameters over time. A data point from a few years back might not stand out until sufficient data is collected to establish a baseline for the particular athlete. Only then have they established a case for an infraction that occurred years earlier. If one accepts that WADA can fairly detect retrospective violations and apply penalties, it ought to be a strong deterrent to doping.
Wonder if Meb will get caught after last week.
Yeah -- I have the same question. If the ban starts Jan. 2013, why are here performances from Oct. 2009 annulled? Isn't that effectively a 6 year ban? Is there any basis for that?
ventolin^3 wrote:
what is this nonsense about 4y retrospective erasure ???
on that basis, if someone can slip some dope into maloofi's OJ, then leo will be declared olympic 1500 champ !!!
great news, her dominance was very unlikely to be clean, given the Russian history, surprising that Russian athletics were the ones to actually enforce something, and what sort of idea is giving her a two year ban that ends in about 9 months?? She misses a fall marathon basically.
The point is you cannot generalize and say that russians (as a people) lack moral and fair play, when there is plenty of evidence of americans doping in all kinds of sports.
By that logic, americans (as a people) also lack sense of fair play and moral.
In my country we call that throwing stones in a glass house.
Far Afield wrote:
This b---- has been obvious as hell for years. You don't need a "biological passport"- just take a brief look at her career "progression":
http://www.iaaf.org/athletes/russia/liliya-shobukhova-181883#progressionClearly she really amped the doping from 2007 to 2008, then jumped from 5000 to the marathon to dodge testing.
Looks to me more like she took 2003 off to "morph" herself out of competition and was a totally different athlete from 2004 on.
She's lucky to only have results annulled from 2009 to the present.
and Radcliffe is clean? hahahahahhaaha!
7890 wrote:
11 wrote:Give me a break. Americans should be very humble with this, you are definitely one of countries with most doping cases. Does that have to do with your moral as americans?
this is primarily a distance running website - zero A list american distance runners have been caught in what - 10 years?
But certainly anyone would have to agree that US sprinting culture is a sick puppy.
eddy helleubuck (sp) and Christian Hesch are the only names that come to mind for Americans who doped. And that subelite guy in the midwest.
Realism wrote:
and Radcliffe is clean? hahahahahhaaha!
yes.
ray wrote:
A few points on the "punishment"
1) The marathons should refuse to allow her to ever compete again and extend this penalty to athletes associated with her coach and/or manager until the fines are paid.
2)athletes finishing in positions behind the cheats should all demand to get "moved up" in the winnings.
Agree with 1.
For 2, you don't want to make if a financial penalty on the organizers for a competitor positive, otherwise organizers share an interest with the athlete in making sure no one tests positive.
In many cases, moving up places 2-21 to 1-20 will cost more than the refund from position 1 (or 2, or 2...)
Grow a pair IAAF wrote:
IAAF need to grow a pair and actually something.
First, ban her for life. No discussion.
Second, fine her for all winnings she has ever made from athletics. No discussion.
Third, ban her coach for life plus fine him for all winings he has ever made from athletics. No discussion.
Fourth, ban her manager for life plus fine him/her for all winings they have ever made from athletics. No discussion.
Fith, fine all of her sponsors for about 2 million dollars each. No discussions.
Sixth, try find out from coach, athlete, and manager how they doped, which doctors they used and whether there were any other athletes involved. Use interrogation and torture methods if required, none of this sissy court-room rubbish.
Seventh, once the information from above is achieved, go after the other parties involved and apply the same force.
The doping problem in track and field would be cleared up VERY quickly if such methods were applied but for the moment, the sports governing bodies do not want to do anything about it.
And yet, the # of positive tests would maybe be 20 reports higher than what it would have been meanwhile people turn a complete blind eye to the NBA and NFL. Your method is a great way to kill the sport of athletics in a single message.
clerk wrote:
ray wrote:A few points on the "punishment"
1) The marathons should refuse to allow her to ever compete again and extend this penalty to athletes associated with her coach and/or manager until the fines are paid.
2)athletes finishing in positions behind the cheats should all demand to get "moved up" in the winnings.
Agree with 1.
For 2, you don't want to make if a financial penalty on the organizers for a competitor positive, otherwise organizers share an interest with the athlete in making sure no one tests positive.
In many cases, moving up places 2-21 to 1-20 will cost more than the refund from position 1 (or 2, or 2...)
I know I'm a math idiot, but how is this possible?
e.g. if a prize purse is $1100 and is dispersed as 5,3,2,1
and 1st gives back the 5 and you bump everybody up a spot (including 5th at 0 to $100) how can it cost more????
You know what I would love to see?
This:
Pre Classic.
May 31, 2014.
100 meter dash. All 8 (probable) dopers stand up for introductions at the start line.
Simultaneously, all 10,000 fans turn around and look away from the track in silence. Maybe they read a newspaper. But total silence. no cheering.
they stay turned around when the gun goes off.
After the race is over, they sit down and watch the rest of the meet.
that would make the track world quake - it would be a story in every newspaper - a fan protest in tracktown. The first ever.
The way things are wrote:
but Radcliffe is both a doper AND mentally ill.
innocent til proven guilty
she would be the greatest hypocrite of all time if she doped
B_Duck2032 wrote:
This ban will be lifted. Shobukhova will appeal with the CAS. She will argue her genetic blood profile is messed up, always has been. Her doctor will confirm.
With blood passport there is no proof, just "strong evidence". The courts have always ruled that this is never enough to ban someone from their profession.
Nothing to see here, unfortunately.
I seriously doubt this ban will be lifted, Liliya was thought to be smeally for a long time and WADA has worked this case for nearly 2 years...I'm pretty certain they have cross their Ts on this one.
Liliya is a big fish and after you have worked hard to catch a big fish, you don't throw it back, you put it on display and then make a meal of it.
ray wrote:
The marathons should refuse to allow her to ever compete again
I believe NYRR has a policy to never invite (former) drug cheats.
just sayin wrote:
they need to level the playing field and
step-up ooc blood testing in africa
Why waste time on this? I explained and many times. Drug, because of viscosity of blood. They don't work the same way on TOP LEVEL ELITE kenyan athletes as they do on WHITE runners born at altitude.
The very best, born at altitude, can not benefit from EPO.
Therefore, the anti-doping money, which I support, is much better being spend in countries like USA, Europe, USSR. But not China, please.
When was Paula's last drug test? Can the passport be used to compare her current blood or urine against those samples that she has reportedly frozen somewhere?
Action against the agent needs to be taken