Where does Asbel Kiprop rank among all-time 1500m runners?

If ELG was a dopper, he is number one. If ELG was clean, he is number two.

The Dingo wrote:Olympic Champ

2 time World Champ

3:27.72 PR (4th fastest all time)

I think the only obvious people ahead are El G, Lagat, Morceli, and Coe.

2nd tier is Ngeny, Cacho, Kiprop, who else?

Is Kiprob top 5 all-time already?

noah in rieti did mess up his all-time ranking despite 2'11.9wr

he came in unrested with fatigue of a 3'29.1 win in brussels about 44 - 45 hours before & went off at a suicidal high-49 in a 1k !!!

if he'd skipped brussels & prepared specifically for rieti & got "proper" pacing, i have no doubt at all that off a mid-49 he wouda run

~ high-1'41

the poser is what 1500 shape that day ???

he'd come 2nd all-time with 3'43.4, worth

~ 3'26.85

with standard 1.08 conversion

my feeling is that rieti may have been best shape of his life for all distances from 800 - mile

posters won't believe this, but i do think he had a decent shot at the 1500wr that day, but wasted his golden opportunity on a meaningless 1k while fatigued

the 2 lines of fit i have for him that day for "perfect" races & properly rested are

46.5 / 1'41.8 -> 2'10.79 , 3'25.84 , 3'42.64

46.4 / 1'41.7 -> 2'10.71 , 3'25.82 , 3'42.64

as "perfect" races are impossible, the best woud probably have been maybe 3'26.0/3'26.1 if rested

possibly got within handful of 100ths of the wr, but may ended up tantalisingly shy of it...

And still at 3:25.84 he would be looking at the backside of Jim Ryun. Hell, I am pretty sure Nolan Ryan could break 4 minutes on my calculator.

Another interesting thread polluted by Ventolin and his various pseudonyms.

Pathetic.

who's disagreeing ?

ryun good for

3'24.2/1'39.9

in his 3'33.1wr or dusseldorf

summary of the dvd owner's comments :

hicham ~ 3'25.6/3'25.7 if he'd run his 3'26wr evenly rather than finishing with a 53.2, which means pace to bell was too slow

noah about ~ 3'25.8

bernie was worth fraction quicker in his 3'26.3 as again that race too slow to bell & he got slightly baulked by hicham when attempting to kick off last bend, call it 3'26-flat that day ideally

line of fit for ryun i woud bet my house on

( i have more confidence in this than predicting 3'28 for mo - i still was doubtful of high-49 speed for him )

for peak '67 on a '70s synthetic with "perfect" pacing to the bell is

45.00 / 1'39.90 ->

2'08.86

3'24.15

3'41.05

Take out EPO and blood dopers who ya got?

someone had to do it wrote:

1) Jim Ryun, (as well as 1'39 for 800m)

Hahahahahahahha!

You are a moron or a troll.

There is no way Ryun would've run 1'39

Barakus Obama wrote:

someone had to do it wrote:

1) Jim Ryun, (as well as 1'39 for 800m)

You are a moron or a troll.

Why should we have to choose?

sir bastion newbold ...blood dope and steroids

el g ...hgh epo and whatever else you're having yourself

morsilly... epo hgh

catcho...epo

no.1 all-time clean steve cram more than likely

[quote]someone had to do it wrote:

1) Jim Ryun, capable of 3'24 / 3'41 (as well as 1'39 for 800m)

2) El Guerrouj, would get thrashed by Ryun but still good for 2nd place

3) Keino, capable of 3'26 mid in '68, olympic champ

4) Ngeny, beat El G at his peak, 3'43 mile

5) Lagat, 3'26 guy

6) Morceli, broke WR twice, former 1500m/mile WR holder

7) Kiprop, (best guy since Post-El G era, consistent

8) Coe, good for 3'28 / 3'45 in '81, double olympic champ

9) Aouita, laziest WR holder ever, was capable of much faster than his PR indicates)

10) Maree, former WR holder, capable of 3'28 in '85 (ran 3'29.77 on tired legs)

Can we judge runner on the times they actually ran rather than the times they theoretically could have run. I am sure theoretically I am 2:12 marathoner but I never ran that time. Jim Ryun was assume but let's stick with the actual times.

Should read " Jim Ryun was awesome."

el g would get thrashed by ryun..

lol

more ventolin nonsense

ventomaniac wrote:

sir bastion newbold ...blood dope and steroids

el g ...hgh epo and whatever else you're having yourself

morsilly... epo hgh

catcho...epo

no.1 all-time clean steve cram more than likely

No evidence at all Coe doped or took steroids. Tested regularly out of season in UK, who had random testing long before IAAF made it compulsory in 1989.

Cram was also said to have told someone on here personally a while back that he believed Coe was clean. Don't remember the thread.

ElG, Morceli, Lagat & Ngeny ...... More than likely on EPO given their peak performances were when there were no tests for EPO and they managed to run 2 secs faster than any generation before or after. And we know how thorough the Kenyans are at testing their own athletes.

I'd say Kiprop is very likely clean, given the improved testing procedures now and the fact he is so inconsistent during a season. He manages to run well most of the time when it matters most, but often bombs in circuit races, unlike the late 90's guys who seemed to be able to churn out incredibly fast times on a weekly basis. This is far more suspicious.

coe was accused by jeff atkinson and he had the toxoplasmosis

wonder if cram thinks farah is clean after the eurpean record lol

i bet he doesn't

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167. El G

This is all that matters

And to answer the question of the thread, yes, I would consider Kiprop in the top 12 all time at 1500, but not in the top tier yet.

For me the top tier is reserved for those who have won an Olympic title and set a world record. World titles are great but those athletes competing before 1990 either never had them or only every 4 years, so it's hard for earlier guys to accumulate as many global titles as recent ones.

I'd put Elliott, Coe, Morceli & EL G in top tier; regardless of possible doping.

2nd tier I'd have Ryun, Snell, Walker, Ovett, Cram, Ngeny, Lagat, Kiprop.

3rd tier- Keino, Bayi, Aouita.

Not put in order of greatness, just in groups. Those in the 2nd and 3rd tiers have either a global title or world record and in a few cases both. The top tier is reserved for those with both a world record and an Olympic tittle.

In head to head ranking Kiprop vs. Lagat, Lagat should be ranked higher.

They met in three straight championships in the 1500.

2007 - Lagat Gold, Kipop 4th

2008 - Kiprop Gold, Lagat missed the finals

2009 - Lagat Bronze, Kiprop 4th

And these weren't the prime years for Lagat.

Not the prime for Kiprop either, but closer for him considering the Olympic Gold in there.

Then consider Lagat had to race the greatest while he was in his prime while No one that Kiprop faces is in the conversation for best ever.

El G and Morceli are clearly ahead of Kiprop.

Coe as well.

Where does he stand against Fermi n Cacho is a debate.

Cacho has the one Oly Gold and had 3 major Silvers finishing either Morceli or El G.

casual commentary wrote:

Trollist the First wrote:

It's funny because you think Kiprop is clean.

I don't think Kiprop is clean beyond a doubt, I just think it's far more likely that he is clean compared to El G or Lagat. He's less consistent than El G and Lagat was busted once already.

wateronice just wants to live in a fantasy world.

I think it's the other way around, there's no fantasy as to El G doping or not - he's the world record holder right now because he's the greatest of all time, and people like you despise them with your full envy.

stay mad.