Deer everyone (brojos, sub elites, Ryan Vail) whining about competitor group

Pay Attention Beavis wrote:

everyone's body is different.

But, you know, everybody do pretty much exactly what I do cause it's what works for me.

so your argument is essentially that competitor group will ruin the sport of distance running because some sub-elites need to nap.

7 am: wake up, 5-8 miles (3-4 times a week)

8:30 am: arrive at work

tight schedule: 90 min to ....

wake up get dressed for running (10 to 15 min)..

run 5 mi at 6min/mi = 30 min...(no warm up-how do you "jump out of bed and just start running? -5 mi in 30 min is a bit quick as first few miles (10 min at least are probably slower as you warm/wake up))

do you cool down and/or stretch (?? min)

shower 15 min (if you don't cool down you will still be dripping with sweat after a 5 mi run)

breakfast 15 min (if just cold cereal and coffee , more if you have eggs or an omelet, oj etc)

dress for work (t-shirt and jeans and t-shirt 10 min, suit and tie 15 min)

shave, brush teeth, brush hair 10 min

commute to work only have Zero min left if you use the minimum times above..of course you could skip the shower breakfast, getting dressed and ...

Excellent post.I like Galen Rupp a lot, as he seems like a normal guy in interviews. Sometimes, however, it feels like I'm watching Drago from Rocky IV - this Eastern Bloc country style machine built up from an early age and put through overly sophisticated and very calculated/measured training.

TLW wrote:

I think a lot of people on this board are in college (or younger) or never really gave it everything in training to fully understand how important what you said is in this part of your response.

Maybe because I did something similar for 2 years after college I understand the value in what you said.

Ryan Vail is an example of the boring, faceless elite runners in the USA who complain and...well that's about it.

Maybe the US distance runners need to start using their personalities to make them a valuable commodity to these businesses.

Become the American Yuki Kawauichi. Become someone who normal runners can look up to. Become a role model not someone who stares at the walls in your altitude tent.

Most elite runners in the USA are NOT role models.

Lost Credibility wrote:

johnnylangenwanker wrote: Deer everyone...

"DEAR" Moron...

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*Moran

his job probably isnt that strict, you are being to anal. i'm sorry you have to punch the clock, if it bothers you that much find a better job.

easy to run 5 to 8 before work and be in by 8.30 - 9. 8mi w shower in 1 hr.

7 am - wake up, tinkle, drink water, put on running shorts, socks, and shoes

7:15 at the latest - out the door staggering at a very slow pace. morning run is very slow and easy. 6 miles is the average and 40 mins in the average time.

7:55 on average, back in the door and straight into a 5 minute shower, glass of chocolate milk on the walk from the bathroom to the kitchen

8:00 - dressed, brush teeth, crap, pack bag with food/clothes/books etc (it takes you 15 minutes to put on clothes????). i don't brush my hair, ever, and i have a full beard so i trim once per week, usually on the weekends.

8:15 out the door to the train.

i eat breakfast and lunch at my desk while working. breakfast my little lady leaves out for me, lunch i make or i buy on the way back from core exercises.

10/10 excellent work

Not strictly relevant to the issue in hand, but I have got some respect for this guy^^ If you actually analyse how much of your day you spend doing pretty much nothing, and you organise your time properly (i.e. not taking 15 MINUTES TO PUT ON JEANS), then it's easy to maintain this kind of schedule. Best example I have is of a physics teacher at school who hit 115 mpw, while going to bed at 8, 9pm latest. Got up at six, did his major workout, have breakfast ready, not hard.

General rule of thumb; if you can't wake up, shower and get dressed in less than 5 minutes, there's something wrong with your vagina.

7 am - wake up, tinkle, drink water, put on running shorts, socks, and shoes

7:15 at the latest - out the door

that took 15 min so yes it takes me 15 min to put on a suit and tie.

glass of chocolate milk from bathroom to kitchen? I would prefer chocolate milk from kitchen.

3 cats??

As someone operating on a schedule pretty similar to the OP, I was pretty upset by competitor group's announcement. All these posts about how this is somehow a good thing in disguise strike me as more whiny and annoying than anything Ryan Vail or the brojos have said. Would you guys really rather see an extra band at these RnR half marathons or some clown in NYC make even more money than see some good runners make a little cash? Thats what's happening.

All the brojos said was that they wouldn't advertise for RnR stuff on their website anymore, which is fair enough. They can do what they want with their business just like the competitor group can. And I can't believe people are hating on Ryan Vail even a little bit.

Am I missing something here?

http://ryanvail.blogspot.com

Did he make some other statement somewhere that was actually whiny or offensive in some way? Because what I'm seeing is one paragraph about his situation sandwiched between a description of his 150 mile week and the half marathon that his wife just ran. Nothing but bitterness driving this thread. Be happy for elites and "sub-elites" get sponsored and are able to focus on their running. Don't be whiny and resentful that it's not you.

no one said anything about ryan vail being offensive, and actually, re-reading his blog, he doesn't come off whiny like the spot on the LRC homepage made me think he would.

that said, your last sentences are my point exactly:

"Be happy for elites and "sub-elites" that get sponsored and are able to focus on their running. Don't be whiny and resentful that it's not you."

be happy for elite and sub-elites that get sponsored. don't be whiny and resentful when there isn't money available for you to focus solely on running while playing angry birds the rest of the day.

Sorry for picking on your daily routine, but when you put yourself out there as the example it's bound to happen.

So it looks to me like you actually work 35-40 hours a week, not 40-50 like you said (I know, you're going to say you work on Saturday too, right?) but there's nothing wrong with that, so why lie?

Or, it could be that you sleep less than 8 hours a night. Also perfectly fine, these are sacrifices we make.

But, that's the point. You're acting like there aren't sacrifices to be made just to be a "tier 2" runner, how can one ever expect to be a "tier 1" runner on this schedule?

BTW, I wish I could take a train to work. Sounds like it's right out your front door too, pretty jealous :)

Some many problems, I do not even know where to begin. First off, these are all first world problems, and the person who tried to relate this somehow to the issues in Syria or even mention professional running in the same breath has bigger issues to deal with. Running and track and field were never meant to be a real job, just a hobby and a collection of amatuers testing themselves against each other. By making it a profession you lose the element of "for the love of the game." Someone along the way mentioned entitlements and a generation of entitlists. Be happy for the opportunities that you had and move along. This is something similar to the Lolo Jones bobsled stipend. 95% of people do not care. If you are worried about paying your rent or putting food on the table, then clean yourself up and get a real job.

southbay wrote:

Sorry for picking on your daily routine, but when you put yourself out there as the example it's bound to happen.

So it looks to me like you actually work 35-40 hours a week, not 40-50 like you said (I know, you're going to say you work on Saturday too, right?) but there's nothing wrong with that, so why lie?

Or, it could be that you sleep less than 8 hours a night. Also perfectly fine, these are sacrifices we make.

But, that's the point. You're acting like there aren't sacrifices to be made just to be a "tier 2" runner, how can one ever expect to be a "tier 1" runner on this schedule?

BTW, I wish I could take a train to work. Sounds like it's right out your front door too, pretty jealous :)

nah not on saturdays, almost ever. i work from home in the nights when i can. i'm an editor and discuss stories with my wife after dinner. some weeks i put in closer to 30 hours, some weeks more like 60. sleep is 7 to 8.5 hours per night.

i think you overestimate how much these "sacrifices" are going to affect your performance. look at the vitals: workouts, sleep, diet. in reality your spending at max 4 hours per day working out. i know some elites drag that time out even further because they have that luxury. i would argue that that does not provide a measurable advantage.

you just have to be disciplined. yes it is not easy. you're right on that. and i'll concede too that for a chronically injured runner, more time consuming precautions may need to be taken - but then that's probably less time that you're spending running cause you're not racking up the big miles, either. but a disciplined life is a great thing when you're fortunate enough to pursue all of your different passions throughout the course of the day.

and yeah the train is VERY fortunate, part of why we moved here. commuting by car would probably sap 2 hours out of my schedule because of traffic. the station is about a half mile away, or a 4 min jog in work clothes, 15 mins to get to the city. so that part takes planning too. but an adult with a job who is also serious about running has the luxury of planning in that manner.

Sounds like you've got a pretty ideal setup for training, and I see your point that if you want to be a 2:15 guy or whatever who's aaaaalllmost there you can base your life around running while still making a living, so I'm with you there. Also, you sound like a pretty smart guy after a few posts, so why do you have to come off so arrogant? For a lot of guys RnR races were a good way to make a little extra money to further the dream or to legitimize basing the rest of their lives around running. So, while I don't think the sport is going to die any more quickly without them we really shouldn't be attacking the guys and girls that were out there going after it and have now lost an opportunity, that's just childish.

You are saying these sub elites are narcissistic and whine about the loss of Competitor Group prize money. However, your daily schedule sounds like about the most narcissistic thing I have heard of in a long time. You LIVE running and leave little to no time for anyone else. If any of this is true, it is clear your job is neither physically or mentally demanding and you have little investment in the job (no attention to detail per your "deer" post title but claim you are an editor, no overtime, no attention to appearance or hygiene). You are also likely a renter and have no children.

If any of your posts about schedule are true, hopefully this time investment is worth it. But having said that you are not even sub-elite, it does not seem that it would be. Maybe some of your time would be better spent learning grammar and punctuation which would help your job performance and possibly allow you to make more money. Just a suggestion.

The thing no one is asking is which jobs actually allow you to come home from work ready to put in a good workout. Most runners may have a college degree but that doesn't mean the job their degree prepared them for is not physically taxing. An editor is a perfect job to put in the training like you are, but a lot of jobs require being on your feet a great deal (especially jobs in the health care or kinesiology field which is what half of the runners out there major in). I'm a student right now, which I know is easier than most real jobs, and I still come home tired from labs and classes all day. I get my runs in but I worry what I will do when I have to start working real hours. I can't imagine having to do a full time job and train seriously.

The real issue here is competitor group has made a business decision. I don't agree with it at all but in a capitalist world it makes sense. Obviously these events don't need more bands but they know their market and they know how to get people out there. I'd much rather see Mo Farah tempo a half marathon than have more "fun" things at the finish line, but not everyone feels the same way.

I DEMAND MORE DETAILED BREAKDOWN OF YOUR SCHEDULE MORE MORE MORE