Chad Noelle leaving Oregon

Similar Academics?

Syracuse #58, 49% acceptance rate

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/syracuse-university-2882

Oregon #115, 73% acceptance rate

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/university-of-oregon-3223

justasayin4 wrote:

Plus I heard he couldn't keep up with Jordan in training runs. Kinda got to him. Oh well.

I don't think most runners have ever experienced practicing behind a national star every day, and can't fully understand the different ways it affects the psyche of the teammates.

For some runners, it can eat away at their confidence, and diminish their enjoyment for running, to the point of quitting. I ran on the same team as a national star, and we had trouble keeping runners in the program more than a year. Although no one ever said it, I saw the looks of frustration on the faces of some every day in practice, when they would get smoked, badly. Ben True touched on a similar thing in a recent interview. He said that he has trouble controlling his competitiveness, to the point that it is difficult to find training partners he is comfortable running with, day after day. Guys are competitive. No one wants to get crushed day in, and day out.

If that's really one of the reasons he is leaving Oregon, I hope Noelle does better in his new surroundings.

acceptance rate doesn't determine the quality of academics. the faculty at syracuse and oregon are similar in publishing and their graduate schools. you have similar profs at virtually any big school. the standards are no doubt the same.

jjjjjjjjj wrote:

acceptance rate doesn't determine the quality of academics. the faculty at syracuse and oregon are similar in publishing and their graduate schools. you have similar profs at virtually any big school. the standards are no doubt the same.

Seriously this^. Acceptance rate is the dumbest metric to judge a school by.

Oregon has at least 10 guys that could break 4 minutes in the mile can't really blame the kid for wanting to go to a lesser program to become the big fish in a small pond isn't of a small fish in the ocean. Best of luck to Noelle. GO DUCKS

Guess he wants to go to one of those lesser schools and actually make an NCAA mile final.

Why is Syracuse being brought up? Is he going there now? Good luck to a guy with 1:49 speed there.

DaleyT wrote:

Chad Noelle is a quality runner who apparently is leaving one of the top track programs. Some are curious as to why and where he might be going. According to what has been reported is that Noelle was unhappy. maybe he just wants a better program that fits him? However, there has been a lot of snarky remarks about why he is leaving - i.e., grades, demeaning where he might be going (Vanillanova); now it is jealousy of the other milers, bad personality and fighting with coach. Is there any truth here? Sounds an awful like some disgruntled Duck supporters. If you know something, by all means share it. If you really don't know anything, please keep it to yourself.

You left out that anonymity gives these guys guts to talk out of their a**es.

How many of them would have the guts to say these things to Chad's face or even if they had to identify themselves.

Yep, you're right- None of them.

Yeah, ten guys...

Chad was asked to leave the program.

I can rarely think of gossip I heard from coaches or athletes that wasn't based on fact

Look some programs are so close and there's so much personal drama going on I don't know why there isn't at least 2-3 people leaving everyyear.

Some of these females think they are on a reality show about a high major T&F team rather than athletes who supposed to be in training and earning their 'ship.

who are these "multiple people"?

Here's what we're going to do. We're going to go to sleep. It will make us see what matters more clearly. If you'd like me to join you tonight, you know where I am. Love you.

Well, Nixon scrubbed for Academic reasons at Arkansas and Oregon is way ahead of Arkansas (and much of the rest of the SEC for that matter).

26mi235 wrote:

Well, Nixon scrubbed for Academic reasons at Arkansas and Oregon is way ahead of Arkansas (and much of the rest of the SEC for that matter).

No it's not

US News wrote:

Similar Academics?

Syracuse #58, 49% acceptance rate

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/syracuse-university-2882

Oregon #115, 73% acceptance rate

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/university-of-oregon-3223

Unless you are one of the absolute top students at an institution, doing cutting edge research projects at a top school that don't exist at other schools, I have a hard time believing there is a measurable/noticeable difference in the education at most credible institutions. Just my opinion, but differentiating the #58 versus #115 college, seems like a fairly arbitrary process.

If you do not know what the differences are then you will not really understand well enough to make an informed comment. Some people on this board seem to think that a calculus class is the same no matter where it is taught; this is one of the silliest notions that I have read on this board. I and my spouse have taught at various universities and have had grad students come from a variety of schools. The notion that the schools are about the same at the undergraduate level is even sillier than that all calc classes are the same.

Also, there are 'schools within schools' that are very different. Oregon State has an ‘honors college’ and I think Oregon does too. The students within these programs are systematically different, on average. This allows the courses to be taught differently and the expectations for the students are higher. One thing that makes a big difference is who your peers are and what the expectations are of your peers and your teachers.

I have a relative at a major company and I know which SEC schools he will and will not hire from - most he will not (his way of phrasing it is that he wants to hire someone that is smarter than he is). However, the SEC probably gets a little bit of a bad rep, as the median SAT scores are not that low. The Big Ten and the Pac-12 have a higher hit rate for him. However, the Pac-12 is really split with Stanford/Cal/UCLA/(and yes, USC) all on a high level, Washington (and probably Colorado) in between but stuck with very large class sizes, especially for freshmen. The others are on a lower tier (see SAT scores [http://collegeapps.about.com/od/sat/a/pac-10-sat-scores.htm]. The Big Ten is more uniformly of good to high quality with surprisingly Indiana as the lowest on the math 540/650 along with Nebraska (520/670) [25 and 75% scores].

As for acceptance rates, they do matter but are also misleading (so you need to look a little deeper). There are differences between public and private schools and some schools work hard to get lots of applications so that they can taut their low acceptance rate (Washington University is one, (very) good school; not as good as its low acceptance rate). Go take a look at the scores for entrants on the ACT or SAT.

If a school like UCLA has 50k students a year applying to the school of course they are going to pick students who have high test scores. If a school like Oregon only has 20k students apply they're more likely to accept students that have lower tests scores.

So if someone was fresh outta college from lets say...LSU. This person was an engineer and had a solid internship with exxon mobil. He also had solid recommendations from the company. You mean to tell me your "relative" wouldn't hire him because he went to that one SEC school?

Your post stinks like complete bull $hit. With your arrogance no wonder you taught and multiple schools.

Also, in case you don't know about acceptance rates. Since Alabama has won 3 of the last 4 national championships in football more students are wanting to attend the school. Obviously they can't accept the type of students in years past so their acceptance rate has gone down...drastically.

Same with Oregon, they don't accept nearly as many kids from out of state anymore.

Thanks for your post.

The acceptance rate at the UC schools has different factors. You apply both to the system and to the campus, so if you are applying to one UC school there is relatively little cost of applying to others. Cal and UCLA are at the top of the UC pecking order in a very large state. In Oregon, on the other hand, there are two major schools (plus Portland State, which I do not know enough about but they are more of the 'local' school). Since UO and OSU have different emphasis, they get different types applying. The top students get in but to fill the total, they go down the list pretty far. This is likely due to Oregon being a small state (by population) and so a lot of those accepted by UO are going to decent schools elsewhere.

I think these elements back up your comments about acceptance rates.

As for the hiring, the internship complicates things but is not particularly relevant to the area of his hiring. This is a paraphrase of what he said, not some made up scenario. The locale is also one where SEC people would apply. I suspect that when they get a ton of applications for a position, they start with some filters first and so they do not get to the example you give. It might be that it is harder to discern which of the people from that school is the one you are highlighting. I did not mean to say that he would hire from only one SEC school (obviously Vanderbilt) but not from many of them (my guess is that FL and GA are the two most likely). Another factor might have to do with the strength of the relevant majors at those schools. I will not go into the relevant industry.