Thoughts on the 100m in view of Blake's 9.69

Catch 22?

BM (mind if I call you that? lol)... WADA exists to FIGHT against drugs. They can no more "eradicate" drugs than a hospital can eradicate sickness and disease. The average individual knows that drugs will never be eradicated from sports - or society at large. Based on that FACT alone your argument is null and void.

WADA will never run out of business unless they do something as stupid as what you and SG are insinuating, at which point they would be RUN out of business. It would be a huge feather in WADA's cap to expose Bolt as doper and it would serve to increase the viability of the organization.

So no, it's not a matter of me believing the world is all roses, I just don't see the logic behind the opinions expressed and I don't believe Usain Bolt is on dope to begin with.

Now you mentioned a coverup for Carl Lewis which piqued my interest. Please elaborate.

T&F Nut wrote:

You need to do the research. Blake was caught, gave a lame excuse, and was suspended.

Um no, it wasn't on the banned list, go do some research. The only ban he got was from Jamaica AS A PRECAUTION

Here are your quotes from 2010.

"The real story is about Yohan Blake. This season he already had a 9.96 (+0.5), and now runs a 9.95 into a headwind! That is a corrected improvement from 9.98 to 9.93 - very nice.

In fact, Blake could have shaved off another 0.05 if he'd been awake for the start--his RT was .184 . That would have been a 9.88 corrected."

and

"It looks like Bolt was actually trying, and that Yohan Blake was in fact pushing him a bit.

Yohan Blake! NICE race!"

Do you really think that is you predicting Blake would be the next great one?

Wow! You are so deluded

I know what the quotes said, you f-tard, I AM THE ONE WHO POSTED THEM AND LINKED TO THEM.

Like I said, there are better ones. I don't much care if you remember them or not. Maybe I will link to them for your benefit, maybe not.

You are a tool, Gallagher. You're not really in the discussion, you're more like an external irritant, never offering anything of substance.

Get a life, man.

Hey GallagherTard,

Here's a post from 9/12/2011, correctly predicting 1) that Blake had arrived, 2) that he would medal at the Games if he continued his improvement, 3) that he would likely surpass Gay, 4) that he was less likely to surpass Bolt, 5) that Bolt would go low-mid 9.6x adjusted in 2012, 6) that Blake would get gold or silver at the Games if he improved his first 5 steps.

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=4219866&page=1

And another post from the same thread, on 9/13/2011, correctly stating that the Blake was a low 9.7x guy with only minor tweaks to his 2011 race, and that his adjusted 9.82 was incredibly special and foreshadowed his future greatness.

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=4219866&page=2

Gallagher, you are truly a bore. I will never respond to this type of post again, unless a good opportunity for a very brief and derisive post presents itself.

I've done my research. It was no precaution. Prior to the 2009 World Championships, Blake, along with Marvin Anderson and Sherri-Ann Brooks, tested positive for 4-Methyl-2-Hexanamine. At first, Jamaica cleared all three because the drug wasn't on the WADA banned list. When it was brought to the attention of Jamaican officials that the drug was very similar in structure to the banned drug, Tuaminoheptane, they reversed their decision and banned all three sprinters for three months from all competition. In addition, Blake was pulled from the Jamaican 4X100 relay team during the World Championships. He got a break, but was clearly using drugs, as the test showed, drugs that are designed to enhance performance. What other reason would have the aforementioned drug been found in his system; to grow hair?

T&F Nut wrote:

I've done my research. It was no precaution. Prior to the 2009 World Championships, Blake, along with Marvin Anderson and Sherri-Ann Brooks, tested positive for 4-Methyl-2-Hexanamine. At first, Jamaica cleared all three because the drug wasn't on the WADA banned list. When it was brought to the attention of Jamaican officials that the drug was very similar in structure to the banned drug, Tuaminoheptane, they reversed their decision and banned all three sprinters for three months from all competition. In addition, Blake was pulled from the Jamaican 4X100 relay team during the World Championships. He got a break, but was clearly using drugs, as the test showed, drugs that are designed to enhance performance. What other reason would have the aforementioned drug been found in his system; to grow hair?

To boost performance, what's your point? Many other athletes take all kind of stuff. As long as it's not banned it's not against the rules. If WADA didn't want him using it then put it on the banned list...

What they were doing/taking was the equivalent of a pre-workout supplement.

It's about the same as someone drinking coffee before going to work..

And the reason his federation suspended him for not doing anything wrong was because they effectively cut a deal, suspend him for this, and don't look at him too closely for anything else.

We'll put him on ice for a while if you will leave us alone.

Fine by WADA. It is an economical decision. WADA is like a prosecutor, sometimes you have to make a deal for the sake of economy. WADA put in limited resources, got a conviction and a sanction out of it, and Jamaica and Bolt didn't have to admit any wrongdoing.

Precaution, yes--but about what exactly were they being cautious, and why was Blake personally penalized in a way that weakened the Jamaican team, and why did both he and the Jamaican team willingly incur that penalty if he did no wrong?

These are the classic hallmarks of a deal--parties with competing interests, coming to an understanding that is satisfactory to all those involved, all things considered.

Not every investigation and outcome is an all-guns-blazing, go-for-broke affair. In fact, almost NONE are. People must learn to deal with this reality.

body master wrote:

They exist to eradicate drugs yet if that happens they run out of business.

At what point do we shut down the fire department or police department? Assuming they do excellent jobs in preventing fires and crime.

You really believe that. So in keeping with your logic, if Blake tests positive for the same drug again they will look at it as drinking a cup coffee? He won't get suspended again, even though they suspended him for three months and removed him from their relay team. They cut a deal, pure and simple. If he uses the same drug again Blake and the Jamaicans know he will suffer a much longer suspension. Hardly what would happen for drinking a cup of coffee.

My point is he cheated. That's why he was suspended from competition and removed from the relay team at the World Championships in 2009. It stands to reason if he didn't do anything wrong and didn't break any rule (as you suggest) then no action would have been taken against him. They cut a deal with WADA, pure and simple. What do you think would happen if he tested positive for the same drug again? Nothing? I highly doubt it.

Interesting how you two are using social dilemma's to try and prove your point and state my own as null and void when i am talking from a moral standpoint. And as you know, humans are VERY bad at morals.

What i mean by this is; you can hardly use the hospital or police as an analogy to what i am talking about. These two are about SAVING lives. Of course we know that sickness and crime will never cease. The reality is that these organizations exist to fulfill some of the highest laws of humanity in that of saving lives and enforcing order.

Do you really think WADA or anyone else for that matter wants to be the dark horse who forever ruins Track & Field? Bolt has given Track a shot of adrenaline. We're all strapped and coasting on a thriller of a ride. If Bolt tests positive and the world is told, what do you think would happen to the sport? Ben Johnson already paved the way for undermining the legitimacy of the sport and crafting the 100m dash as a circus event full of drug cheats. What can a disdained Bolt do... whose 2x more popular and powerful? Now we are talking about morals! And even in the most lucrative, professional jobs things that shouldn't happen....happen!

I am still baffled as to why we are so focused on that ONE sentence of my entire post. I was merely alluding to the fact that drug agencies wish to kill something that would kill them. Contradictory and ironic. I was agreeing on an assumption NOT basing my entire argument around it.

Funny how you cherry pick and choose what lines to comment on when that sentence wasn't even used to the knowledge of furthering my argument. It was merely an explanation of my reasoning for it being a catch 22.

In fact, my argument started in the last sentence of my original first post and i added another post afterwards about covering up Carl. He tested positive a bunch of times before the '88 games and the agencies covered it up so the public never knew about it and Carl could compete in the Seoul Olympics.

If they cover up Carl, with the state of Track being sunshine and daisies and no one cheats... why wouldn't they Bolt... in an era of distrust and suspicion?

body master wrote:

If they cover up Carl

They didn't. Anything at that time would have been overseen by the USOC and/or TAC. WADA didn't come around until 1999.

T&F Nut wrote:

Smith didn't run the 100 in Mexico City. Jimmie Hines won in 9.95. Smith won the 200 in 19.83. Smith was the greatest 200/400 man ever, including today's runners. Never reached his potential. After Lee Evans set the world record at Mexico City in the 400 (43.88), Smith had a match race with him and smoked him.

1) 43.86

2) The race between Smith and Evans took place well before 1968, when Evans was not yet in his prime.

What makes you think that WADA has anything to do with catching drug-cheats like Bolt or Blake?

WADA performs some of the in-competition tests, but you would not think that Bolt or Blake are stupid enough to come to a major event if there was a chance of testing positive. It's up to the national, WADA-affiliated agencies like USADA or JADCO (Jamaica Anti-Doping Commission) to perform out-of-competition tests.

As an organization, WADA is much too big to successfully cover up a positive drugs test, if they ever got their hands on a tainted sample. For JADCO, their very existence depends on the success of Jamaican sprinting. In my opinion, Bolt & Blake don't have anything to worry about.

Then why did JADCO revealed Blake's positive test in 2009, it was them wo conducted the test, no ? It would have been easy for them to hide it especially given the fact that the drug wasn't even banned then and Blake was deemed to be the next big one.Secondly you seem to forget that IAAF has its own anti-doping agency which performs OOC testing (names of athletes tested on their website).Make no mistakes, I am not naive, Blake is suspicious. But your arguments look like the ramblings of an old conspiracy theorist and are not based on facts..

You wrote:

You asked why WADA would want to catch Bolt, and then mentioned Carl Lewis in 1988 as an example of protecting track's number one star, despite the fact that WADA didn't exist at that time. Decide who you are talking about.

That is such a big assumption... The reason why they were being cautious because it was similar to a banned substance. The reason why WADA said anything about the test i the first place was most likely because they were planning on adding it to the list later.