I disagree. It's completely possible that one record is better than the other. If someone says "what's better, a 4:00 mile or a 2:30 half mile", are you really going to state that the 4:00 mile is not better than the 2:30 half mile?
I disagree. It's completely possible that one record is better than the other. If someone says "what's better, a 4:00 mile or a 2:30 half mile", are you really going to state that the 4:00 mile is not better than the 2:30 half mile?
fwiw, 2:30 is not the world record for a half mile; nor is 4:00 the wr for the mile - just say'n.
uyguyg wrote:
Regarding El G's attempt at the record, did you even bother reading some of the other posts in this thread?
Without looking, I think he ran 7:23 and/or 7:25 ... not close at all to the record.
Your point?
"but don't forget that he didn't even win the olympic 5k the year he broke the world record"
What does this have to do with the original topic?
what??? wrote:
"but don't forget that he didn't even win the olympic 5k the year he broke the world record"
What does this have to do with the original topic?
What does your post have to do with the original topic?
I was responding to someone else who stated that Bekele could easily have broken the record because he was a beast in '04.
Understand?
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, IT'S KOMEN'S INDOOR 3000m WR
hmm............. wrote:
uyguyg wrote:Regarding El G's attempt at the record, did you even bother reading some of the other posts in this thread?
Without looking, I think he ran 7:23 and/or 7:25 ... not close at all to the record.
Your point?
Why without looking? Just actually read the posts about El G's attempt. You are incorrectly using him to support your opinion that Komen's record is the best.
Hicham el Guerrouj ran 4 minutes 44.79 seconds for 2000 meters. Now is this record better than Komens 3000 meter record and Bekele's 5000 meter record?
They are all great performances
On a totally subjective basis, it's Komen's 3k record from Rieti. Steve Cram sound like he's going to crack up when he reads out Komen's 1k and i mile splits, which shows just how fast he was going. But then that beautiful man doesn't falter, he just cranks out the laps with an easy stride until he obliterates Morcelli's record by seconds!!!
I watch this on youtube every 3-6 months, never tire of it and I'm a 10k, 1/2M, marathon runner. I've no idea what it takes to run a 3k, but damn, Komen's performance lights me up everytime.
higher altitude runner wrote:
It's been 16 years and all of the best runners since then have tried it. Multiple times. In their prime. With well paid rabbits. And failed.
How many of those rabbits were able to hit 4:53 at 2000m as John Kosgei did for Komen in 1996? If you're good enough to run 4:53 largely from the front, then you're good enough to be in race and not be a rabbit.
Great analysys breaking down all the records by the 400M split. The 10K record definately is impressive (as are all).
Jeff Wigand wrote:
higher altitude runner wrote:It's been 16 years and all of the best runners since then have tried it. Multiple times. In their prime. With well paid rabbits. And failed.
How many of those rabbits were able to hit 4:53 at 2000m as John Kosgei did for Komen in 1996? If you're good enough to run 4:53 largely from the front, then you're good enough to be in race and not be a rabbit.
Hicham El Guerrouj ran 4:44 for 2000m. how impressive is that in comparison
Don't the IAAF scoring tables show that the 5,000 is superior to the 3,000 and deuce, while the 10,000 is superior to all of them? I wonder where the steeple world record fits in?
IAAf scoring tables are total BS!
Both races are now online. Which race had the rabbit pace a more significant fraction of the race? Just curious
Many world records are worth right around 1300 points on the IAAF tables. The outdoor 3000 is 1300. The indoor 3000 is 1299. The outdoor 5000 is 1295. The 10000 is 1296.
One record that I did not see mentioned on the thread is Kipketer's indoor 800 record of 1:42.67 which the IAAF gives 1306. By the way, Bolt's 100 and 200 are over 1350.
If my eyesight is correct, it appears that Komen was paced for the first 2k of his 3k, while Bekele was paced only the measly first 2k of his 5k.
See
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6gLVIAXWQo
for Komen's record
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSSBtxvd5BI&feature=youtu.be
for bekele's record
While Komen's time may appear to be better in the respective event, Komen probably benefited from more prolonged pacing than Bekele did.
Based on substantial differences in pacing, I think Bekele's 5k outdoor record is more impressive than Komen's 3k outdoor.
SlowFatMaster wrote:
Many world records are worth right around 1300 points on the IAAF tables. The outdoor 3000 is 1300. The indoor 3000 is 1299. The outdoor 5000 is 1295. The 10000 is 1296.
One record that I did not see mentioned on the thread is Kipketer's indoor 800 record of 1:42.67 which the IAAF gives 1306. By the way, Bolt's 100 and 200 are over 1350.
Do they have steeple points?
Thought I would post this to indicate that of a shorter distance Komen is much faster. Komen's PB over 1500 meters is about 3 seconds faster than that of Bekele's
Bekele has a PB of 3:32.35
Komen has a PB of 3:29.46