Spartan Watcher wrote:
Lindsay was consistently running 28:30 10Ks on the roads which would seem to indicate the ability to go 28:00 or better on the track. On the other hand, he seemed to better suited mentally and physically for the roads.
and made no bones about it. Thanks juan.
http://www.juanjosemartinez.com.mx/Files/Herb_Lindsay_art1982.pdf
I went to the same High School as Stan Mavis, albeit a few decades later.
I was two seconds from breaking his school record for the 1600.
That was the peak of my running career though. :)
malmo wrote:
malmo wrote:The guy between Sandoval and Geis, is probably Mark Anderson or Jeff Wells, (I'm leaning to the Sparkler) although it could be Mike Buhmann caught bouncing high in the air.
Drew Eckmann wrote:
I'd say Buhmann is the guy obscured behind #291 (Mavis). Possible that it's Dan Dillon (not Ortiz) behind Alex's elbow? If it's Ortiz, he had to have been the youngest finalist. Was he a college soph?
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Drew, that's Wysocki.
Ortiz is obvious.
George, Not obvious to me. Just looked at the results you posted. I hadn't even known for sure that Dillon was in the race. Now, I'm even more sure that's him behind Alex's arm. He's wearing a Nike singlet, I think Ortiz would have been wearing a UCLA shirt. Also, I remember Ortiz having much shorter hair and a very erect running carriage. That guy has Dillon's style written all over him. I think if you look close enough too, you may see that it looks like he's wearing glasses. Less certain, but I still say that looks like Mike's hair behind Mavis. Who was he running for in 1980? Who was Wysocki running for? The guy in question has Adidas shorts and Nike shoes.
This whole thread is very interesting. Thanks malmo.
duxrule wrote:
That's the scoreboard.
I believe that scoreboard was sponsored by Osaga and running shoe start up in Eugene....
malmo wrote:
Nice bloody shot Malmo wrote:Not argueing, honestly, but I am from Michigan and that sure looks like Herb over number 552's left shoulder. I do know what Tony looks like and to me, that doesn't look like him, but you obviously would know better than I.
I've trained with most of the field so I have an unfair advantage over you.
The uniform should be a dead giveaway. If that was Lindsay, he'd have changed teams, uniforms, shoes, and put on socks sometime during the race. Come to think of it, that might explain why he fell so far behind? ;)
Lindsay is between Stan Vernon and Stan Mavis. Between Lindsay and Mavis is Tom Wysocki.
The guy to the far left is Steve Ortiz. The guy between Sandoval and Geis, is probably Mark Anderson or Jeff Wells, (I'm leaning to the Sparkler) although it could be Mike Buhmann caught bouncing high in the air.
Malmo, technically there are two runners between the two Stans...one could be Herb Lindsey (##6); the other runner is definitely Tom Wysocki (4##)...the Sub-Four TC uniform is a dead give-away.
Also, concure the runner in the back is definitely Steve Ortiz (3#5) running in Nike kit.
Thanks for this great foto, can I save it to my favorites?
Spartan Watcher wrote:
Lindsay was consistently running 28:30 10Ks on the roads which would seem to indicate the ability to go 28:00 or
No it wouldn't. His best 10k was 28:21 ON THE TRACK.
Greg_N wrote:
I went to the same High School as Stan Mavis, albeit a few decades later.
I was two seconds from breaking his school record for the 1600.
That was the peak of my running career though. :)
Very cool.
Fun factoid of the day: the two current school record holders in the mile and in the two mile for Los Alamos HS were in that 1980 OT 10000.
Drew Eckmann wrote:
George, Not obvious to me.
No kidding. It IS obvious to me.
I'm certain that he is Ortiz, and I certain that he is not Dillon. I don't even need to second guess this.
You're imagination is getting in the way.
Wysocki is Sub-4. He's wearing a Sub-4 uniform, not adidas (die mark wit die damn drei Streifen)
You saw Ortiz with short hair in 1982 there fore he did not have long hair in 1980? That's not logical.
I'm just a silly old bugger, who can't run any more and I'm jealous because Herb Lindsay got more attention than ME ME ME ME ME MEEEEEEEEEE.
Oh yeah and he won more races than me too.
More races than MEEEEEEEEEEE ME ME ME ME ME MEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
silly old bugger wrote:
I'm just a silly old bugger, who can't run any more and I'm jealous because Herb Lindsay got more attention than ME ME ME ME ME MEEEEEEEEEE.
Oh yeah and he won more races than me too.
More races than MEEEEEEEEEEE ME ME ME ME ME MEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
And here's the REAL deal ... boy did we (meaning USA) get caught up with road racing in the 80's. And, yes, great way to make bank. BUT!!!, road racing means nothing compared to racing on the track (except, of course, the marathon.) As such, Lindsay won many road races ... and that means DICK compared to what Malmo did on the track.
FACT, and argument over.
silly old bugger wrote:
I'm just a silly old bugger, who can't run any more and I'm jealous because Herb Lindsay got more attention than ME ME ME ME ME MEEEEEEEEEE.
Oh yeah and he won more races than me too.
More races than MEEEEEEEEEEE ME ME ME ME ME MEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
Someone needs a time out.
Malmo what ever became of Athletic Attic? We had one in my hometown and its where I bought my first ever real running shoes. Very nice photo!!
xlev2 wrote:
Malmo what ever became of Athletic Attic? We had one in my hometown and its where I bought my first ever real running shoes. Very nice photo!!
Don't know. I don't think that their franchising support was able to deal with the rapid growth of the likes of Footlocker, etc.
Here's another photo from the 1980 trials. Obviously still early.
A couple things strike me about Salazar-
1. His physique has always impressed me as incredibly lean and mean- there never seems to be a molecule of superfluos skin or muscle anywhere- especially his thighs.
2. Why is he the only guy whose socks we can see? And way up the ankles? Did a lot of guys run w/o socks?
....and of course 28:30 10k on the road at that time was a well certified 10k course
A couple more:
Absolutely agree. I don't know him like George does, but he is one runner I met many, many times in Michigan from the Bobby Crim to the Clare 10k the year before he became really well-known (yes he ran that race in Clare, Michigan in August) and also the Oak Apple 10k (Royal Oak, Michigan) in June of 78(?) or 79(?) when he won but hadn't entered and Pete Hallop got the official victory. Of course, there is his many runs in the Old Kent 25k.
Herb looks way bigger in pictures when he's around Rodgers, Meyer, Salazar, etc... but honestly, his legs weren't "that" big and definitely not built like a wrestler.
A perfect example is Tony Sandoval who is one small and skinny guy who would appear to give Herb the look of a much larger person, which he's not.
Herb ran some great road races including the Midland 15k against Viren and many, many others, but he never had real success on the track as did the others who finished ahead of him. Just my humble take on Herb Lindsay.
malmo wrote:
Fun factoid of the day: the two current school record holders in the mile and in the two mile for Los Alamos HS were in that 1980 OT 10000.
ric rojas and tony sandoval
A lot of guys ran without socks- I still do most of the time.
I just think it's more comfortable.
I remember when I met my wife (summertime) I went running in shorts and shoes most days and nothing else.