SOLINSKY NOT RUPP-CERTIFIED

upon review of the video i can now safely say that rupp is a little b1tch

asswhoopin wrote:

Oh did he? Solinsky and the Kenyans had nothing to do with it. Why don't you tell Solinsky that? He went with 900 to go; he didn't sneak past Rupp 30 meters out. He owned Rupp because he was better than him last night, not because of anything Rupp did. If you can't run a guy down in the last 800m, then who gives acrap what you did in the previous 9,200m. It's a 10 K last I checked. And Solisnky won it. Chelanga was second by the way.

No they didn't - Rupp (who I don't really care for, too much hype) made the race after 4km, when the rabbit droped out a km too early, as the pace was dropping. That's the hard part. Unfortunately for him he didn't drop the other three, who did nothing to share in the pacemaking.

Solinsky wouldn't have been expected to lead, since it was his debut, but Chelanga could have, if not for the NCAA XC race. As another poster said, that was a different situation - this was about time, that was about winning.

Without Rupp, no AM, no CR (at least not that fast) and likely no Canadian record (Bairu). Rupp should be disappointed, but he will learn from this (I hope) and move on. American running is all the better for the competition anyway. What made the Brits great in the '80's was the rivalry between Coe and Ovett, which swept up Cram, Moorcroft (WR 5000m) and Elliott to also be amonsgt the best. This is what is needed in the US, not everyone training together per se, but a rivalry that inspires others to be a part of it. I've said this for years that there has always been the talent in the US, but athletes too often get lost in the College scene and can't get beyond it. With AlSal (and he has done a great job with Rupp) and Jerry S. (not counting guys like Lagat,Ritz or Hall - and Webb hasn't really influenced anyone) getting guys to EXPECT to be at a higher level, the gap can close with the Africans.

Fastnbulbous wrote:

Agreed. I watched the video again and Jerry did not usher Rupp anywhere. He simply touched him on the back to tell him "good race" or something. Try not to be assholes for once and give a guy a little respect who, after all, did what he said he was going to do, break the AR.

Not actually true there... when Rupp finished the AR was 26:59.60. But he did break 27:13 which, I understand, was the original intent.

snarky wrote:

Ma Junren wishes she had Palo Alto pollen! WOO SOLINSKY!

Ma Junren is a he.

rsbones wrote:

It was actually embarrassing how long it took Rupp to come over and how it looked like he had to be ushered into it. All the other competitors seemed really congratulatory.

Didn't Rupp read the new USATF rules or conduct?

Within 2 minutes after finishing the race, you must approach the winner and kneel before him offering praise, gold.

WTF? He went over and said good race to Solinsky after recovering and obviously being a little disappointed that the fastest 10k run of his life so far was good enough for the old record but not good enough for the new one. When I used to race, that was all anyone ever got was a good race tap and that was all that was expected. If you don't get it right after you cross the line you didn't play the "disrespect card" before the last guy even finished. I am sure they all respect each other a lot and congratulate each other when the flotrack camera's are off. Why the hell does every race have to be some hug fest after every friggin race!

"You are so great! Even your greatness is great!"

"No man, you are great! I never could have done it without you!"

Stupid. I am certain Rupp and Solinsky are competitors and wanted to grind each other into little bits out there during that race. Good for them, they should want that. Rupp should be motivated right now planning his next assault at 26:55 to try and get the AR. Solinsky should be sky high right now thinking of 12:50 5ks and 26:55 to keep his AR under his name. If I were Solinsky, I would want my moment under the lights without a bunch of people on my victory lap trying to grab my butt telling me how awesome that run was. It was faster than any American has ever run, he is probably quite certain it was a solid effort.

Please stop with all the "he's a poor sport because he didn't jump all over the winner before he got his spikes off." Those guys were hauling last night. Sportsmanship is displayed by how you compete and handle victory and defeat.

There was a rabbit ahead of Rupp for like 70% of the race, jergoff.

asswhoopin wrote:

Chelanga was second by the way.

No, actually, he wasn't.

The joke is the lack of respect that Jerry and his group get. What he and those guys have done from day one is AMAZING. From the day Galen left high school he's had the best facilities and someone holding his hand the entire way. Jerry's guys are a bunch of regular guys who went through college just like the rest of us and trained with our team. They've just been going out there working hard and earning everything they got. Rupp probably makes more than double the entire groups salary...so yeah Nike does have it wrong.

What happened to Anthony Famiglietti. Any excuses? Reasons?

Everyone gets a trophy wrote:

Sportsmanship is displayed by how you compete and handle victory and defeat.

Uh, that's exactly people's point. Rupp handles defeat poorly. Try to keep up.

X-Runner wrote:

snarky wrote:

Ma Junren wishes she had Palo Alto pollen! WOO SOLINSKY!

Ma Junren is a he.

more important issue track short or 24 lap

Is it just me, or does Solinsky seem leaner?

Squonk wrote:

Unfortunately for him he didn't drop the other three, who did nothing to share in the pacemaking.

Maybe they would have tried to lead if it wasn't already crystal clear Rupp was going to win before the race even began.

Rupp has only himself and his camp to blame for that.

oh come on wrote:

There was a rabbit ahead of Rupp for like 70% of the race, jergoff.

Since the guy didn't make it to 7k then he didn't have a rabbitt for 70% - is your arithmetic (since it definitely isn't math) that bad. Rupp lead from that point until Solinsky passed him - the race would have slowed down otherwise. And don't call me names, it just makes you seem childish - mature people don't resort to that to get a point across. Rupp did his part and it took a lot out of him. Having said that, it was a great race by Solinsky. He would have won regardless of the tactics on the day.

To Hiya, Why do you care if Rupp is a poor sport or not? What the heck has it got to do with you, or anyone else for that matter. He is who he is, a fine runner, who would now be an American record-holder if not for Solinsky. In fact I hope that more Rupp's come along to help drag America out of it's sorry-ass basement dwelling as a world power in distance running (Lagat excepted and he was a kenyan for much of his career). In fact you can thank AlSal for helping to lead the charge - not that he is alone (Jerry S. and others are just as capable) - to get back on even terms with the Africans. If that means good coaching, training groups and altitude tents/Alter-G's, then so be it. What used to piss me off was the too often American notion that others must be drugging to run sub-13 and sub-27, when it was merely a matter of lack of preparation and commitment to getting to that level. That's changing, and frankly it's about time.

Another example of why it's called LestWhine.com.

Those of you that have to hate Rupp or Salazar don't get it. Sure, Al has done everything he can think of to help Galen get to where he is. That's what a good coach does and Al is one of the greatest. He and Galen have helped lead the current resurgence of American distance running. Yeah, it sometimes seems a little ridiculous with letting people know you will want to see the conditions before deciding which race to run. But most of you would too, if you had the choice. In fact, it created a lot more interest in both meets. And if track is going to be significant, the sport definitely needs to create more interest.

Some of you whiners act like there is a huge difference between "Jerry's boys" and Al's group. Not much. In fact, Al was the catalyst for Jerry moving to Portland and having his group utilizethe excellent facilities at Nike and in PDX.

Instead of whining and bashing Galen and Al, why don't we all celebrate a great race by all involved. Solinsky will always be remembered as the first non-African to break 27:00. Congrats to all the runners and two great coaches in Al and Jerry.

Francis L wrote:

Are you people joking? Rupp just ran his balls off, ran from the front and essentially rabbited Solinksy through the AR. You think he's going to jump in Solinsky's arms and congratulate him for drafting all but two laps and stealing his AR thunder? .

If he has jumped Rupp in the last 200m and beaten him by a second, then it would have been a bit more of a 'taking advantage up'; the gap was 10 seconds with a championship-race type finish.

an american record broken in america by an american-born runner. love it

info wrote:

The joke is the lack of respect that Jerry and his group get. What he and those guys have done from day one is AMAZING. From the day Galen left high school he's had the best facilities and someone holding his hand the entire way. Jerry's guys are a bunch of regular guys who went through college just like the rest of us and trained with our team. They've just been going out there working hard and earning everything they got. Rupp probably makes more than double the entire groups salary...so yeah Nike does have it wrong.

Nike doesn't have it wrong. The fact that Teg and Solinsky are amazing, is not relevant to the fact that Rupp has now gone 27:10 as a 23 year old, and holds numerous age records, and is still improving. The fact that Solinsky just went 26:59 is blinding some people to the fact that what Rupp did is also ridiculously awesome, and under differnet circumstances he might have been 10 seconds faster without having to do all the work, although i do think Solinsky might have had his number either way, but it would have been much closer.

It's also easy to put someone down because someone else ran faster....but what American has run 27:10 at age 23? the answer is obvious, no one...what American has run 27:10 at age 24? still 0. What American has ever run faster than rupp? Only Solinsky.

Nike hasn't made a mistake at all...but i'm sure they'll be putting some extra money in Solinsky's pocket now, and rightfully so.

26mi235 wrote:

Francis L wrote:

Are you people joking? Rupp just ran his balls off, ran from the front and essentially rabbited Solinksy through the AR. You think he's going to jump in Solinsky's arms and congratulate him for drafting all but two laps and stealing his AR thunder? .

If he has jumped Rupp in the last 200m and beaten him by a second, then it would have been a bit more of a 'taking advantage up'; the gap was 10 seconds with a championship-race type finish.

Yes a championship type race in a time trial effort. Nobody had to help Rupp, but when they are all just sitting there on his pace obviously capable, it did look a little weak. The 10 seconds was a combination of two things:

A) Fatigue setting in on Rupp from working his butt of and knowing that 3 vultures are sitting on you, (Only if you've ever run in that situation can you appreciate the toll it takes) accompanied by the rig that sets in when they "finally" go by.

B) The energy Solinsky was able to save by doing absolutely no thinking or work the entire race until 900 to go.

Had anyone, Solinksy or the other 2, even helped out for a couple laps during all of Rupps work AND kept it on pace (which is what Rupp was doing) you can bet Rupp would have had a better finish and at least been closer to 27:05. Had solinsky helped it would have made a more interesting finish for sure. Perhaps neither would have been under 27:00, but perhaps they both would have.

Solinsky just got something he'll probably never have again in his life, a perfectly rabbited 10K for 9100 meters at the exact pace he needed and with a couple runners around to take his mind of the pace and keep it a race in his mind.

Rupp was thinking about pace from the first lap when he had to tell the rabbits they were too slow and especially when he led the toughest part.

And to the haters, salazar was screaming wildly for solinsky the last couple laps, encouraging him.