3 americans in the 5000 meter final...

Damn! I forgot that Geb took the WR down nearly 12 seconds in one race. That's nuts.

Greatest runner ever.

irun wrote:

Rank by 1500m PR:

1. Bernard Lagat 3:26

This should scare the snot out of everyone else in the race (even if it has been a few years). If the pace is slow, everyone else is running for second.

I took "current 5000m list " to mean top of the current yearly list. i guess you meant all-time. that wasn't clear from your original post.

Doesn't change much though - it still is pretty meaningless to look at 10000m times when you look at who has won in the past.

OK, my main point is I think endurance figures into this a bit.

Anyone have a video of the 5000m prelims they could put online? nothing on Youtube or anything, and I'd like to see how things went.

Also- in the article posted on the front page, sounds like Goucher went a lap early, thinking it was his last- anyone think he would finished better if he hadn't kicked a lap early?

What are you talking about? According to this list Komen ran his WR the year before Geb, and Geb barely bettered it...

He's talking about the 1995 WR I think, where, on that list it looks like Komen had it at 12:56, and then Geb ran 12:44.

Yep. That was a bit mind blowing taking 11 seconds off a record that had been moving 3-4 seconds at a time.

Geb's 26:22 in 1998 was similarly impressive as a 5 second advance.

wondering..... wrote:

Anyone have a video of the 5000m prelims they could put online? nothing on Youtube or anything, and I'd like to see how things went.

Also- in the article posted on the front page, sounds like Goucher went a lap early, thinking it was his last- anyone think he would finished better if he hadn't kicked a lap early?

don't eat at mcdonalds tomorrow and spend the $5 dollars for wcsn.com

Am I retarded or something. Am I the only one who understands that Lagat is a Kenyan, right out of Kenya. There are 2 Americans and 4 Kenyans..its a ploy by the Kenyans.

duane67 wrote:

Am I retarded or something?

Yes!

arti wrote:

Actually there is a tie: 2,5 Americans (Teg, Goucher & Lagat) and 2,5 Kenyans (Limo, Kipchoge and Lagat).

I think you meant to put Teg on both sides. Who does he think he's fooling with that red hair?

MarathonMind wrote:

.7 12:48.81 Stephen Cherono KEN 15.10.82 1 Ostrava 12.06.2003

15 12:51.98 Saif Saeed Shaheen QAT 15.10.82 2 Roma 14.07.2006

Actually the same guy!

[quote]duane67 wrote:

Am I retarded or something.

More than you´ll ever understand.

numbers wrote:

I think Lagat wins if it is slower than 13:20ish, but Kipchoge probably wins if it goes fast.

While that may happen...it should be noted that Lagat i believe holds the record for the fastest last lap in a sub 13 race with his 51.9. So honestly do you think if he's fit that being fast should put him at a disadvantage?

Mrr82 wrote:

While that may happen...it should be noted that Lagat i believe holds the record for the fastest last lap in a sub 13 race with his 51.9. So honestly do you think if he's fit that being fast should put him at a disadvantage?

Did Lagat run that 51.9 last lap in a race where he had run 2 1500 heats, a championship 1500, and a 5k heat in the previous 7 days? That stuff adds up, so yes I honestly do think he is at a disadvantage if the pace is fast. Stats out of context are meaningless.

I definitely think he will medal no matter what. It wont be a 13:00 5k, its going to be slow, the conditions call for it, putting it is Lagat's hands. Lagat will win!

numbers wrote:

Did Lagat run that 51.9 last lap in a race where he had run 2 1500 heats, a championship 1500, and a 5k heat in the previous 7 days? That stuff adds up, so yes I honestly do think he is at a disadvantage if the pace is fast. Stats out of context are meaningless.

Yes many times and even more. Lagats heats were workouts at best for him. You might think that stuff adds up...but just because those efforts are taxing for most people doesnt mean they are for Lagat. His 5k today was no where near intense some of the workouts he's done are.

Lagat 1346 5k with a 236 last 1k...basically he sprinted a 400 at the end....his 1500 final 335 with a 39 last 300...his only semi hard effore..his 1500 semi...303 with a 39 last 300. a 300 meter sprint...his 1500 quarter final 341 with a 40 last 300. A semi hard 300 sprint for him.

dont make it out like he's busted his ass the past 8 days....Its not like he went 335 in the semi and 331 in the final then 1310 to make the 5k final.

It's hard to argue with someone who calls Lagat's 1500 final a "semi hard effort"