Yeah Jakob is arrogant as hell but he has partially earned it. Hocker hasn’t earned it. He comes across as a punk and many racists here are supporting him. He will never medal in a global championship. It is astounding to me how many idiots think he has a chance. He is not as good as Steve Holman, for example.
LOL I was with you until you called LRC racists and mentioned steve holman.
Yeah Jakob is arrogant as hell but he has partially earned it. Hocker hasn’t earned it. He comes across as a punk and many racists here are supporting him. He will never medal in a global championship. It is astounding to me how many idiots think he has a chance. He is not as good as Steve Holman, for example.
LOL I was with you until you called LRC racists and mentioned steve holman.
Well there are a lot of racists here. Although Holman was not a very good big meet runner, he did run 1:44 and 3:31, so let us show some respect. He was quite talented, but yeah, it appears Hocker is better, at least at 1500m and longer.
A few minutes ago, I started a thread with a bold quote from Sedjati aout how he's thinking of the WR in Paris. Well here is one from American Cole Hocker for the 1500.
“If I stay healthy, I don’t think anyone can beat me. Definitely not in America,” said Hocker in a David Woods feature for Dyestat.
Here is another quote that I"m making QOD.
“In 2021, I could not have run a sub-13-minute 5K. So I got my drawers blown off in the Olympic final,” he said. “I was holding on for dear life. And now I’m accelerating off of 3:32 pace. “And I think that comes from the 5K and not the 800.”
I like the confidence, but hobbs has tons of talent and his racing savvy seems solid, and yared is capable of throwing down some elite times. I think Cole might find that this take will age poorly.
Yeah Jakob is arrogant as hell but he has partially earned it. Hocker hasn’t earned it. He comes across as a punk and many racists here are supporting him. He will never medal in a global championship. It is astounding to me how many idiots think he has a chance. He is not as good as Steve Holman, for example.
LOL I was with you until you called LRC racists and mentioned steve holman.
Uocie is probably just trying to rationalize how the heck so many of you guys think Hocker is better than the 3:43 man.
Nuguse wasn't even really dropped in the trials despite leading the hardest parts of the race. To lead the trials with no questions or hesitations to me shows the clear best miler in America. So unless something has shifted massively in Hockers favor. How the hell does he deserve an almost twice as high odds to medal. Now he's thinking he can't be beaten by another american and that is a ludicrous conclusion given the last year.
Kessler wasn't too far back in the indoor 1500. Nuguse took silver in a more competitive race there too and some here think he did have a shot at gold over Kerr if he ran that race slightly differently. The biggest thing going for Hocker is only he knows how healthy he is/has been and if that has limited his buildup. Other than that I'd argue nuguse lightly tapered for the US trials or at least had the option to. Hocker definitely didn't have that option.
The pro Hocker sample size is:
2021 trials
2024 trials
NCAA?
Pro nuguse sample size:
-3:43 against Jakob
-Beat Kerr after winning gold
-3rd at bowerman(most competitive race of the year)
-Every other race against Cole
This is overwhelmingly in Nuguse's favor as the supreme American miler. I get that Cole has to think this way but it sounds like he's worried about the wrong guy. Worry about the 3:26 man that has been apart of ZERO "slow" 1500m finals. Jakob won't let the race be a 3:30 affair. You have to look at rio or 2017 for a slower final.
I don't even think a 3:30 race is in Cole's favor either. There are still the 1:43 guys that will feel great around that pace. It's in Cole's best interest to just be in the right position and make the final. The health is something I can't account for only Cole.
A few minutes ago, I started a thread with a bold quote from Sedjati aout how he's thinking of the WR in Paris. Well here is one from American Cole Hocker for the 1500.
“If I stay healthy, I don’t think anyone can beat me. Definitely not in America,” said Hocker in a David Woods feature for Dyestat.
Here is another quote that I"m making QOD.
“In 2021, I could not have run a sub-13-minute 5K. So I got my drawers blown off in the Olympic final,” he said. “I was holding on for dear life. And now I’m accelerating off of 3:32 pace. “And I think that comes from the 5K and not the 800.”
Lol seriously, you are putting your bets on Nuguse? He needs Jakob to pull him through for the American record. Absolute crutch. This won't play well into championship racing. Among the US men, I feel that Hocker and Hobbs have more racer in them.
Ref to the LRC posts on US Olympic Trials. Nuguse got the leading time but unable to replicate that fast time or convert that into a fast finish. His style is very similar to Jakob in terms of racing, however Jakob have the strength to control and lead the race. Anyways, I foresee Nuguse getting a fast time but not winning. While Hocker/Hobbs will likely have a higher likelihood of podiuming with their finishing kick (ofc, if they are in the right position).
LOL I was with you until you called LRC racists and mentioned steve holman.
Uocie is probably just trying to rationalize how the heck so many of you guys think Hocker is better than the 3:43 man.
Nuguse wasn't even really dropped in the trials despite leading the hardest parts of the race. To lead the trials with no questions or hesitations to me shows the clear best miler in America. So unless something has shifted massively in Hockers favor. How the hell does he deserve an almost twice as high odds to medal. Now he's thinking he can't be beaten by another american and that is a ludicrous conclusion given the last year.
Kessler wasn't too far back in the indoor 1500. Nuguse took silver in a more competitive race there too and some here think he did have a shot at gold over Kerr if he ran that race slightly differently. The biggest thing going for Hocker is only he knows how healthy he is/has been and if that has limited his buildup. Other than that I'd argue nuguse lightly tapered for the US trials or at least had the option to. Hocker definitely didn't have that option.
The pro Hocker sample size is:
2021 trials
2024 trials
NCAA?
Pro nuguse sample size:
-3:43 against Jakob
-Beat Kerr after winning gold
-3rd at bowerman(most competitive race of the year)
-Every other race against Cole
This is overwhelmingly in Nuguse's favor as the supreme American miler. I get that Cole has to think this way but it sounds like he's worried about the wrong guy. Worry about the 3:26 man that has been apart of ZERO "slow" 1500m finals. Jakob won't let the race be a 3:30 affair. You have to look at rio or 2017 for a slower final.
I don't even think a 3:30 race is in Cole's favor either. There are still the 1:43 guys that will feel great around that pace. It's in Cole's best interest to just be in the right position and make the final. The health is something I can't account for only Cole.
Ok I think people over underrating Nuguse, but you're definitely underestimating Hocker. Nuguse did lead the hardest part of the Trials, but Hocker more than dropped him. Jingy was closer to Kerr at Pre than Nuguse was to Hocker at the Trials. Hocker's last 300 was NUTS.
Also the pro Hocker sample size should include his 6th place at the Olympics and 7th place at Worlds.
You don't think a 3:30 race is in his favor because there are 1:43 guys who feel great at that pace? He closed a 3:30 race in 52s, easing up at the end, and later spoke about how he never felt that good before at that pace, and he beat Hobbs Kessler who ran 1:43 twice later that week. Honestly the more I think about it, the more I feel like he's gonna medal, or at least has a better chance than Nuguse. He just runs so well in championships every single time.
A few minutes ago, I started a thread with a bold quote from Sedjati aout how he's thinking of the WR in Paris. Well here is one from American Cole Hocker for the 1500.
“If I stay healthy, I don’t think anyone can beat me. Definitely not in America,” said Hocker in a David Woods feature for Dyestat.
Here is another quote that I"m making QOD.
“In 2021, I could not have run a sub-13-minute 5K. So I got my drawers blown off in the Olympic final,” he said. “I was holding on for dear life. And now I’m accelerating off of 3:32 pace. “And I think that comes from the 5K and not the 800.”
I think Hocker is a very fine runner and in a slower race he definitely has the wheels. But at sub 3:30 pace with elbows and spikes flying (how many falls have there been this year) we'll see. The USA team is a good one and one that poses lots of questions. Will the 2023 Nuguse be back? Can Hocker be in a winning position to use his obvious speed? What is Kessler's ceiling? (I can honestly see him making the 800/1500 finals) and what is the value of fearless youth? My country's team also poses questions. Can McSweyn be competitive in the 1500 (my take is he'll be run out in the heat) Hoare looks good but can he hang on if it's really fast? And what of Spencer? He looked really good at the Australian Championships but hasn't shown much since. Can't wait to see.