re: Valby...can we just cut to the chase

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11 hours ago 07/18/2024 3:46pm EDT

re: Precious Roy

Precious Roy wrote:
(1) I generally agree that we need to send the top US distance runners, men and women, to the marathon much earlier and even try to cultivate more marathoners while they are in college.
(2) Valby would be the perfect case for that as she has the potential to be a Paula Radcliffe 2.0. She is tall, has a long and powerful stride and a huge aerobic engine.
(3) But Valby right now cannot handle the mileage needed to be successful in the marathon. She has been able to be successful with a training program that is heavy on cross training, but that isn't going to carry over to the marathon.

Regarding point (2), Valby has a huge aerobic engine, is tough, but currently appears to me to have a ‘gimpy stride’. That latter point leads to huge question marks and unknowns making it impossible to say things about her future potential with any certainty. For example, if (we don’t know either way) she is taking anti-inflammatories in order to push through, then this could be a situation not unlike what Colleen Squigley wrote about in her blog regarding her last year in the NCAA.

11 hours ago 07/18/2024 3:51pm EDT

re: Thevoiceofreason

Thevoiceofreason wrote:
Nobody knows sh*t about what she’s capable of in the future. She outkicked Karissa in that 10000. They were stride for stride, and her strides were longer. She didn’t have to do that often in college, and probably didn’t train for it much. I would suggest just waiting to see how she develops over the next couple years before writing her obituary. She’s 21…

Listen, bro, even Valby says she has no speed. Heck, Mark Coogan just said on a podcast that ESP has no kick. Valby ran 68-seconds in an open 400m in high school. She has little to no speed. And for those of you bashing Tuohy at least she was NCAA Mile record holder and can run 4:05 for 1500m.. that's a higher ceiling than someone who consistently closed 71-72 seconds like Valby. If you want to see world class closing speed, look at Maia Ramsden.

11 hours ago 07/18/2024 3:58pm EDT

re: dkjdfjacksson

dkjdfjacksson wrote:
Thevoiceofreason wrote:
Nobody knows sh*t about what she’s capable of in the future. She outkicked Karissa in that 10000. They were stride for stride, and her strides were longer. She didn’t have to do that often in college, and probably didn’t train for it much. I would suggest just waiting to see how she develops over the next couple years before writing her obituary. She’s 21…
Listen, bro, even Valby says she has no speed. Heck, Mark Coogan just said on a podcast that ESP has no kick. Valby ran 68-seconds in an open 400m in high school. She has little to no speed. And for those of you bashing Tuohy at least she was NCAA Mile record holder and can run 4:05 for 1500m.. that's a higher ceiling than someone who consistently closed 71-72 seconds like Valby. If you want to see world class closing speed, look at Maia Ramsden.

Can you direct me to the quote where Valby says she has “no speed?”

11 hours ago 07/18/2024 4:04pm EDT

re: Kickers usually win

Kickers usually win wrote:
Based on her 67 second last lap in the OT 10000m, Valby’s 400m speed probably tops out at about 60. Also, if she has 55 speed, she would have run multiple 1500m by now.

That's not how it works. Cheptegei closed his 10k in 52 in Budapest, but in his 5k WR, he only closed in 59. If you're already flat out, you cannot kick, period. It doesn't matter if you have great speed.

11 hours ago 07/18/2024 4:15pm EDT

re: Valley Bee

Valley Bee wrote:
She outkicked Schweizer who has a 2:02/4:00. Shocking to run 2:02/4:00 on 60 second 400 speed.

Saw GDStafford run a 59sec in a 400m race, yet she ran 1.58.7 for 800m the next year.

11 hours ago 07/18/2024 4:19pm EDT

re: dkjdfjacksson

Post of the week. You guys just can't give it up. Valby is an Olympian but you still claim that Tuohy has a higher ceiling. You have zero credibility after making ridiculous statements like that. You sound delusional.

11 hours ago 07/18/2024 4:24pm EDT

re: Hshsbsje

Hshsbsje wrote:
PCRF-Guy wrote:
Number of Olympic teams made:
Sara Hall - 0
Valby -2
You’re arguing an athlete should abandon the events she’s just started having national success at, in favor of an event that would pose a significantly higher injury risk to her. She isn’t exactly a runner who thrives on high volume, is she?
Wait! Valby has been to the Olympics before? Haha your score is 1-0 and not 2-0. Valby is a low mileage runner who cross trims like crazy. That won’t work in a marathon against world class runners. So no.

She made both the 10 and 5K teams (sure, the 5K was on a technicality because ESP gave up her spot… but Sara Hall has never made a team even that way). Valby opted out of the 5K. But you already knew that. No way Sara Hall could ever be in a position to opt out of a national team. That was my point.

And I agree with your second statement (that was the argument I was making… she wouldn’t thrive with the 110 mile weeks a world class marathoner has to do consistently).

10 hours ago 07/18/2024 4:43pm EDT

re: Valley Bee

Valley Bee wrote:
She outkicked Schweizer who has a 2:02/4:00. Shocking to run 2:02/4:00 on 60 second 400 speed.

Kelati out kicked both of them and I don’t think she has 2:02/4:00 speed. In the 5000m, Valby managed a 71 last lap.

10 hours ago 07/18/2024 4:49pm EDT

re: Thevoiceofreason

Thevoiceofreason wrote:
Nobody knows sh*t about what she’s capable of in the future. She outkicked Karissa in that 10000. They were stride for stride, and her strides were longer. She didn’t have to do that often in college, and probably didn’t train for it much. I would suggest just waiting to see how she develops over the next couple years before writing her obituary. She’s 21…

Agree with you regarding nobody knows where Valby's limitations or upside potential is. The OL trials 10k is the first time I saw Valby dig deep with two quality kickers and surged late to take second. A couple of years ago she would have let go and held pace through the finish. She is still young and learning. Give her a break and enjoy following her journey.

8 hours ago 07/18/2024 7:12pm EDT

re: Kickers usually win

She out kicked two women who both ran 2 rounds of the 5k. She did not out kick them by much at all considering she was running on fresh legs.

8 hours ago 07/18/2024 7:27pm EDT

re: PCRF-Guy

PCRF-Guy wrote:
Number of Olympic teams made:
Sara Hall - 0
Valby -2
You’re arguing an athlete should abandon the events she’s just started having national success at, in favor of an event that would pose a significantly higher injury risk to her. She isn’t exactly a runner who thrives on high volume, is she?

She made 1.

8 hours ago 07/18/2024 7:27pm EDT

re: Valley Bee

My guess is Valby is at her ceiling. Just in time for the Olympics.

6 hours ago 07/18/2024 9:17pm EDT

re: JonesIsThirsty

We all know Valby is incredibly talented, but that basically carries her with the way she trains. Against talented women routinely running 100+ mile weeks , I don't think she'll have a very fun time.

Valby is not suited for the training. wrote:
We all know Valby is incredibly talented, but that basically carries her with the way she trains. Against talented women routinely running 100+ mile weeks , I don't think she'll have a very fun time.

Not to mention how injury prone she is. I'm worried she might break DURING the race.

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