Presidential shootings have a 100% chance of generating conspiracy theories.
They are a Petri dish for wackos that can’t wait for facts and investigations
Yes, obviously we don't know for sure yet that they just let a guy draw a bead on the president and a large crowd around him, and did nothing and let him shoot. We don't know that fact yet. Let's appoint a committee to find out the truth
I'm listening to Dan Bongino's radio show live as I type this. Bongino is a former Secret Service agent during the Obama administration so he knows first hand what the protocols are and he still has inside sources in the Secret Service who have been in contact with him for months before the shooting pointing out the dismal lack of security for Trump.
He was on Fox News on Sunday morning and he got so infuriated that Fox "lost" the connection with him. When he came back on a few minute later, he was more circumspect and calm, but he still said it was an apocalyptic failure. Specifically,
- the spokesperson who said that the SS had not turned down requests for more security from the Trump team was lying. Bongino said insiders and friends in the SS told Bongino that they were aware of multiple requests for more SS protection of Trump and his Mar A Largo home and those requests had been turned down.
- The roof (high ground) were not secured. They should have been identified as a risk in the pre-visit and the following steps should have been taken, but they were not.
- The buildings were not secured to prevent access to the roof.
- No agent on the roof.
- No drones or helicopters surveiling the area.
Bongino called for the immediate resignation of Kimberly Cheatle, director of the Secret Service.
If you are the Secret Service head of security for Trump, and you know you don't have enough resources, then why approve this venue for a rally? Pick a place where you control all of the entrances. Work with what you have, or call off the rally.
As far as I'm concerned, this adds more credence to simply incompetence or oversights, rather than some deep state patsy conspiracy.
I'm listening to Dan Bongino's radio show live as I type this. Bongino is a former Secret Service agent during the Obama administration so he knows first hand what the protocols are and he still has inside sources in the Secret Service who have been in contact with him for months before the shooting pointing out the dismal lack of security for Trump.
He was on Fox News on Sunday morning and he got so infuriated that Fox "lost" the connection with him. When he came back on a few minute later, he was more circumspect and calm, but he still said it was an apocalyptic failure. Specifically,
- the spokesperson who said that the SS had not turned down requests for more security from the Trump team was lying. Bongino said insiders and friends in the SS told Bongino that they were aware of multiple requests for more SS protection of Trump and his Mar A Largo home and those requests had been turned down.
- The roof (high ground) were not secured. They should have been identified as a risk in the pre-visit and the following steps should have been taken, but they were not.
- The buildings were not secured to prevent access to the roof.
- No agent on the roof.
- No drones or helicopters surveiling the area.
Bongino called for the immediate resignation of Kimberly Cheatle, director of the Secret Service.
If you are the Secret Service head of security for Trump, and you know you don't have enough resources, then why approve this venue for a rally? Pick a place where you control all of the entrances. Work with what you have, or call off the rally.
As far as I'm concerned, this adds more credence to simply incompetence or oversights, rather than some deep state patsy conspiracy.
Can they possibly be this incompetent. Where several people in the crowd tell the cops about a guy on the roof with a rifle and nothing is done
The snipers are correct. The Biden administration was clearly in on it. They ordered the cops to work with the shooter to get the best shot. The problem is Biden is now immune from being charged for attempted murder. He could keep trying this throughout the rest of the campaign.
Yeah, it’s incredibly easy to keep a secret of this magnitude.
And I’msure you would have considered it irresponsible to post this bit of speculation if you hadn’t first seen compelling evidence that every single one of those “cops,” was a die-hard Biden loyalist psychologically vetted as one certain not to crack, especially given the percent of police officers who are ardently politically Left.
It doesn't have to originate from Biden/Obama. The Clintons are flying under the radar right now. Maybe it was Arkancide.
Congressman Cory Mills addressed this exact point. He said he could teach any amateur to hit that shot 9 out of 10 times with five minutes of training.
Mills knows more than you.
That's the point, this amateur wasn't taught by anyone. Find me some proof that the kid regularly went to a shooting range and had a lot of practice. I wouldn't be shocked if he had only shot that gun a couple times before, less than 20 shots in his entire life.
Also, is OP suggesting that he purposely missed? So now we're saying he purposely aimed for and hit Trump's ear? That's a heck of a shot, zero room for error as another inch to the right and Trump would have been dead.
His dad was the gun nut with something like 20 registered firearms. Most likely he took him to the range regularly. At that range under those conditions, he is looking at a little over an inch of drop and about half an inch deflection depending on the load and bullet he was using. He probably wasn’t the best shooter (not the worst, either), was acting quick (he would have to assume he needed to act quickly) and likely made the mistake of aiming for the head instead of aiming center mass and may not have had the best anchor point. Not a pro, but not a schmo either. If he was shooting for deer, he likely would have killed it.
There is a small chance it could be extreme incompetence, but a darker explanation checks more logical boxes. The average person's emotions won't allow them to go there.
Apparently a sub-average person's emotions won't allow them to go there either. Despite starting the thread and posting several times, you've been glaringly hesitant and unable to provide the "darker explanation" and can't bring yourself to do more than vaguely dance around it. Are you ever going to get your emotions in order and say what's on your mind as to what happened regarding the attempted assassination of Trump?
Having fired M4s many times in the military and in Iraq, I can attest that there is a huge difference between shooting at a paper target or little green plastic man on a range and shooting at a human being. Heart is racing, palms are sweaty, breathing is difficult to control, your heartbeat is pounding in your ears, adrenaline pumping. Now magnify this 100x when you are shooting at a former President in front of thousands of people with counter snipers in sight, knowing you are about to be shot to death as soon as you take the shot (if not before). There is no evidence that this guy was a great shot in the first place.
Sure, 130 yards on a range is very easy; the shot becomes MUCH tougher given the shooting conditions.
You mean to tell me that a 20 year old geek with no military experience couldn't hit a target as well as a military sniper? Amazing.
That's the point, this amateur wasn't taught by anyone. Find me some proof that the kid regularly went to a shooting range and had a lot of practice. I wouldn't be shocked if he had only shot that gun a couple times before, less than 20 shots in his entire life.
Also, is OP suggesting that he purposely missed? So now we're saying he purposely aimed for and hit Trump's ear? That's a heck of a shot, zero room for error as another inch to the right and Trump would have been dead.
His dad was the gun nut with something like 20 registered firearms. Most likely he took him to the range regularly. At that range under those conditions, he is looking at a little over an inch of drop and about half an inch deflection depending on the load and bullet he was using. He probably wasn’t the best shooter (not the worst, either), was acting quick (he would have to assume he needed to act quickly) and likely made the mistake of aiming for the head instead of aiming center mass and may not have had the best anchor point. Not a pro, but not a schmo either. If he was shooting for deer, he likely would have killed it.
Jump to conclusions much? Do you "regularly" do everything with your parents that they are interested in? Do your kids also "regularly" participate in your hobbies? How about your wife? Does she "regularly" go to the range and shoot with you?
But hey, it's super cool that you know all these technical things about bullets and guns. If you want to be taken seriously, you need to check your confirmation bias at the door.
Having fired M4s many times in the military and in Iraq, I can attest that there is a huge difference between shooting at a paper target or little green plastic man on a range and shooting at a human being. Heart is racing, palms are sweaty, breathing is difficult to control, your heartbeat is pounding in your ears, adrenaline pumping. Now magnify this 100x when you are shooting at a former President in front of thousands of people with counter snipers in sight, knowing you are about to be shot to death as soon as you take the shot (if not before). There is no evidence that this guy was a great shot in the first place.
Sure, 130 yards on a range is very easy; the shot becomes MUCH tougher given the shooting conditions.
Congressman Cory Mills addressed this exact point. He said he could teach any amateur to hit that shot 9 out of 10 times with five minutes of training.
Mills knows more than you.
Counterpoint: there is no evidence the kid had five minutes of training.
Yeah, it’s incredibly easy to keep a secret of this magnitude.
And I’msure you would have considered it irresponsible to post this bit of speculation if you hadn’t first seen compelling evidence that every single one of those “cops,” was a die-hard Biden loyalist psychologically vetted as one certain not to crack, especially given the percent of police officers who are ardently politically Left.
It doesn't have to originate from Biden/Obama. The Clintons are flying under the radar right now. Maybe it was Arkancide.
The whole Democrat party is neck deep in high treason for running Biden in 2020, much less not 25th Amending him, much less running him in 2024. Whoever tried to off Trump used the SS to allow it and then bump off the "lone gunman" (patsy), who may not have even been the actual shooter(s).
It is easy to pull this off, witness JFK, BLM/Antifa burning cities down in 2020 in prep for the election rigging and coup, and the whole Covid Hoax, the majority of the country allowed their basic civil/human rights to be suspended over a mild flu year.
I've been saying this since I first stated it was staged. The one witness that spoke shortly after the incident claimed the victims were seated in a different section to the left of the stage and about 100 feet from the podium. If he was aiming for Trump, how does he miss that badly? Now combine that with absolutely no medical evidence that a bullet came anywhere near Trump and we have a scenario where the entire Trump crime syndicate is using a deranged shooter, who just happens to be a gun nut Republican, as one huge campaign opportunity
Having fired M4s many times in the military and in Iraq, I can attest that there is a huge difference between shooting at a paper target or little green plastic man on a range and shooting at a human being. Heart is racing, palms are sweaty, breathing is difficult to control, your heartbeat is pounding in your ears, adrenaline pumping. Now magnify this 100x when you are shooting at a former President in front of thousands of people with counter snipers in sight, knowing you are about to be shot to death as soon as you take the shot (if not before). There is no evidence that this guy was a great shot in the first place.
Sure, 130 yards on a range is very easy; the shot becomes MUCH tougher given the shooting conditions.
You mean to tell me that a 20 year old geek with no military experience couldn't hit a target as well as a military sniper? Amazing.
He was a member at a local gun club for over a year with a 170 meter high powered range.
I've been saying this since I first stated it was staged. The one witness that spoke shortly after the incident claimed the victims were seated in a different section to the left of the stage and about 100 feet from the podium. If he was aiming for Trump, how does he miss that badly? Now combine that with absolutely no medical evidence that a bullet came anywhere near Trump and we have a scenario where the entire Trump crime syndicate is using a deranged shooter, who just happens to be a gun nut Republican, as one huge campaign opportunity
Did you see the video of the kid up on the roof lying down and taking aim?
This was 100% incompetence. Inexcusable levels of incompetence, the director of the SS should have resigned first thing this morning, if she had a shred of self respect.
If she didn't resign, Biden should have fired her-immediately.