"As an example, a D1 XC squad will probably only have a maximum 10-12 members per gender."
The major universitys with football, will still encourage Womens' XC rosters of 25 to 30; to help with needed Title 9 requirements !
That's the next domino to fall. I expect football and basketball to either be spun off as "professional" leagues outside of NCAA control and not on the books where Title IX is concerned, or a lawsuit makes its way to SCOTUS and a 6-3 judgement that the sports aspect doesn't matter and that women having equal educational opportunities was the intent. If the university can prove that women are getting 50% or more of academic scholarships and grants institution wide, then the school is meeting Title IX requirements.
I don't think the Supreme Court, no matter how conservative, ever reverses course that athletics are part of the educational programming.
But to your first point, I could see a world in which football and basketball teams are professional. with the players being paid in money and college credits (that can be used now or in the future), and the team plays under a licensing agreement to wear the university's logo. People have been predicting that as a possibility for years.
Stanford has 36 sports while some other schools have less than 20. Stanford fully funds all teams. They will be happy to fund even more athletes if they are allowed to because they will be able to dominate the poorer schools. Nobody is making schools carry more sports than the minimum required, yet they do.
I don't think the Supreme Court, no matter how conservative, ever reverses course that athletics are part of the educational programming.
This is the question which I eventually arrive during such discussions:
Who in the US decided that sport should be included in the educational system?
Not intramurals where the mind and body are both trained or courses where performance is studied, but actual sporting competition.
As an American, I have believed that club-based systems of other countries are a better format but now that it is approaching have some concerns that municipalities will not fund the needed venues (build track and pools).
You truly have no clue. You continue to say some of the most ignorant things in this thread. Stanford is NOT going to fully fund every sport. They do not have the money. Most schools don’t and will not.
Then again, with roster limits teams won't be pressured by administration to keep non-competitive athletes for numbers reason. If a P4 University sponsors a team, it will expect it to perform. Public schools will be fine. The elite private schools such as Stanford and Notre Dame will be fine if not better. The schools that will be hurt are the mid to lower DI private schools that use athletics to recruit tuition paying students. They will need to seriously consider becoming DIII.
You truly have no clue. You continue to say some of the most ignorant things in this thread. Stanford is NOT going to fully fund every sport. They do not have the money. Most schools don’t and will not.
You almost had it. You are correct that Stanford will not, "fully fund," every sport. I know of several top male distance recruits who only received a 10-20% package to go to Stanford.
However, as Stanford has $2,200,185 per student in endowment funds, oh, they can afford it. You bet they can. Any funding, "shortfall," they have for sports is because they choose to not fund. Compare that to say, CU, at $56,523 (system wide) per student endowment, it really shows, Standford can afford what they want, they choose not to fund whatever they do not want to.
You almost had it. You are correct that Stanford will not, "fully fund," every sport. I know of several top male distance recruits who only received a 10-20% package to go to Stanford.
However, as Stanford has $2,200,185 per student in endowment funds, oh, they can afford it. You bet they can. Any funding, "shortfall," they have for sports is because they choose to not fund. Compare that to say, CU, at $56,523 (system wide) per student endowment, it really shows, Standford can afford what they want, they choose not to fund whatever they do not want to.
They can’t give athletes fake financial aid but for them in particular, their normal aid for people making under $300k can complement it very well
And yet, they choose to fund 35 sports up to the maximum allowable limit today while other schools underfund and carry less than 20 sports. Amazing how you think you know what will happen in the NCAA and what individual ADs will do as a result of the changes.
Fully fund means they fund up to the maximum allowed. Stanford fully funds every program today. Men's track is capped at 12.6. Of course they have walkons and 10% and 20% guys in a roster of 50.
I am going to let you in on a little industry secret. SCHOLARSHIPs ARE NOT REAL MONEY. They are a discounted price. At best they reduce revenue but there is no bank account set aside for scholarship. P4 schools scholarships cost next to nothing. Operating budgets and salaries however do cost money. The roster caps are more about reducing travel and equipment budgets than reducing scholarships. P4 non revenue sport coaches salaries will be next. There are multiple SEC head track coaches (sorry xc guys) making 500k a year with bonuses and apparel deals. Bottom line is outside of revenue sports coaches salaries will drop, roster will get smaller, travel will become regional, and men's teams will be gutted. Don't believe it, Google what Ohio states AD said about it. P4 Olympic sports are going to be run like mid major low budgets schools teams. The other alternative is to cut programs. Non P4 schools however.... The cuts will be drastic. Men's track will disappear in D1 outside of the top conferences. D2, D3, and NAIA will benefit from the shift down in talent.
No they don't. They just track the lost revenue from those kids not paying. It is keeping track of lost income due to a sale price. Is it counted into the budget, sure but there is no money changing hands. It is Walmart doing a sale on TV's and making less money. It is also a drop on the bucket money wise, except for football. The money is spent on facilities, operating budgets, and salaries.
That is a very well thought out and articulate argument. I concede good sir. I have no retort to "incorrect". Well played sir. You got me.
He’s right and you’re wrong. Athletic departments literally pay money to the university for student athletes tuition, room and board, etc. I’ve worked in athletic departments and central administration at D1 universities and that’s how it works. While athletic departments are part of the school they really operate as their own entity.
And in response to the comment about Stanford’s endowment - you realize endowments are established for specific spending and have specific rules surrounding when and how the funds can be used? It’s not just a huge bank account where you have unfettered access.
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