THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Every year the 5,000 seems crazy loaded but then it’s Jakob Krop and ????
Happening TWICE doesn’t mean it will always happen
Great News for Grant Fisher: Ethiopia Pulls Yomif Kejelcha in 5000 for Biniam Mehary
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Neno wrote:
I\'ll take that Gebrhi-bet wrote:
Jakob has no chance against the clean WR holder
Who is the clean WR holder? Someone from the past? Jakob has no chance against retired runners, agree. Against all today runners he has huge chances to win.
From the past, ironically yes. But even greater in the present! And you ain't seen nothing Gebrhi-yet.
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VIPAM wrote:
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
He’s really good no doubt and young (more likely 19 than 17 as Ethiopian media listed him at 18 when he emerged). That being said Kejelcha is the better athlete now by some margin.
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Please show were he was listed as being 18, PROOF please not speculation 😁
Article for November 2023 referring to Biniam as 18:
The thing with him that I'd worry about are his tactics and kick. He hasn't really shown the ability to kick incredibly well yet. Maybe he'll pace Gebrhiwet in the final, but I'd also be almost certain Kejelcha would make the final and I can't say the same for Mehary, he should but their is great 5000 depth across the board (as far as guys who could make the final) and almost no one will get dropped by the bell if the heats go slowly for a while
Remember this is not yet confirmed and Biniam is not on the Road to Paris currently for 5000. And I don't think this is just because the 4 fastest Ethiopians are listed because if you look at the Kenyan 5000 team Benson Kiplangat is not listed but Kwemoi and presumed reserve Kemboi are.
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I\'ll take that Gebrhi-bet wrote:
Neno wrote:
Who is the clean WR holder? Someone from the past? Jakob has no chance against retired runners, agree. Against all today runners he has huge chances to win.
From the past, ironically yes. But even greater in the present! And you ain't seen nothing Gebrhi-yet.
Jakob : Hagos head to head 2:2. Hagos won one in heats in Budapest, what is not count, because he lost in the final, and he won against 18 year old Jakob in DL London 2019 with margin of 0.17s, and he lost in Florence 2021. I am sorry, I just don't see Hagos win against Jakob again, but I can easy see Jakob win against Hagos too the end of Hagos career.
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you have to adjust 1 second / lap for distance. from a decadeish ago.
0.75 lap for 800
0.5 lap for 400
0.25 for 200.
and 0.12 for 100.
and 6 to 8 seconds / mile marathon.
where 201 is a 204 ish.
a guy like lopes at 207 flat converts to 203 to 204.
basically, they have to reset the record books.
standardize tracks and shoes to compare data.
in horse racing, it is the track record that is important. and the world record, no one says that was the fastest horse.
thus track and field debases itself. with records that all carry some kind of asterisk.
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Will coop wrote:
Article for November 2023 referring to Biniam as 18:
The thing with him that I'd worry about are his tactics and kick. He hasn't really shown the ability to kick incredibly well yet. Maybe he'll pace Gebrhiwet in the final, but I'd also be almost certain Kejelcha would make the final and I can't say the same for Mehary, he should but their is great 5000 depth across the board (as far as guys who could make the final) and almost no one will get dropped by the bell if the heats go slowly for a while
Remember this is not yet confirmed and Biniam is not on the Road to Paris currently for 5000. And I don't think this is just because the 4 fastest Ethiopians are listed because if you look at the Kenyan 5000 team Benson Kiplangat is not listed but Kwemoi and presumed reserve Kemboi are.
Thx Will, I knew you’d caught that. Good point on making the final. It’s been completely cutthroat. Partially because they do 2 heats of 21 instead of a more sensible 3 heats of 14. That many closely-matched guys vying for 8 spots is tough. I think with smaller heats you might have more breakaways/separation. As it stands, your finish has to be finely tuned or you’re out.
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rojo wrote:
Does anyone know how it works for the Olympics? Does Ethiopia have to list 4 names for the 5000 now? I wish the Olympics would let them use some common sense and just say -
Here are the Olympians for the 10 and 5k and our reserves, but we're not sure exactly who is going to run the 5000. We'll let you know who runs the 5000 after the 10,000 takes place.When the team was initially released. Barega was the reserve in the 5000.
If I was Ethioia, I 100% would enter a sacrificial lamb in the 5000 and make them rabbit. Enter your best two and a rabbit. Either that or hand the gold to Jakob.
Here is the Ethiopian list for 5000 in 2024:
1 (1) 12:36.73 NR Hagos Gebrhiwet
2 (2) 12:38.95 Yomif Kejelcha
3 (5) 12:49.65 Addisu Yihune
4 (9) 12:51.60 Selemon Barega
5 (12) 12:52.09 Berihu Aregawi
6 (13) 12:54.10 Biniam Mehary
7 (19) 12:55.78 Samuel Tefera
8 (29) 12:58.96 Lamecha Girma
9 (34) 13:00.95 Telahun Haile
10 (35) 13:02.56 Tadese WorkuIf they weren't going to go off of time, they might be better off putting Girma in there as he might have a chance for a medal if it's tactical but it looks like they don't want anyone doubling unless it's Tsegay who can triple. :) Ethiopia treating the Olympic 5000 like it's a participation event.
Here was their initial team.Very interesting and a bit strong list. If you add 3 Jakobs/Jacobs in the list + Mohammed, Grant, Luis to make Olympic final, I can easy see nobody of the ETH list medal.
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longjackss wrote:
you have to adjust 1 second / lap for distance. from a decadeish ago.
0.75 lap for 800
0.5 lap for 400
0.25 for 200.
and 0.12 for 100.
and 6 to 8 seconds / mile marathon.
where 201 is a 204 ish.
a guy like lopes at 207 flat converts to 203 to 204.
basically, they have to reset the record books.
standardize tracks and shoes to compare data.
in horse racing, it is the track record that is important. and the world record, no one says that was the fastest horse.
thus track and field debases itself. with records that all carry some kind of asterisk.
we are talking about the super track with super shoes and the ultra flat marathon course.
im sayin lyles 19.3 is a 19.5
etc.
monaco actually and a couple of others have been in the super fast track category for a while now.
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and im saying the montreal 1976 800 was a 142 low.
stuff loke that.
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