Yes. Foolish decision like you said.
Men’s 5k team: Wolfe or Blanks???
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cvkjbkvk b wrote:
If Wolfe does not qualify on July 7th, he’s 100% out and McGorty is the alternate.
Wait this is interesting, so the alternate in pretty much any event always has to be someone with the standard, right? Because if your alternate doesn’t have the standard but does have a ton of points, then they will get scratched, and WA fills the field up with people who qualified on points. So even if you place 4th at the trials and ahead on the points list of people from other countries who are actually in the Olympics, you still get scratched and someone behind you gets to be the alternate. Correct?
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Trying to understand here wrote:
Wait this is interesting, so the alternate in pretty much any event always has to be someone with the standard, right? Because if your alternate doesn’t have the standard but does have a ton of points, then they will get scratched, and WA fills the field up with people who qualified on points. So even if you place 4th at the trials and ahead on the points list of people from other countries who are actually in the Olympics, you still get scratched and someone behind you gets to be the alternate. Correct?
Don’t think it’s true and Blanks has the standard, so in no world is McGorty in.
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cvkjbkvk b wrote:
1306 wrote:
To be fair, those 9 guys plus Kincaid plus Klecker were pretty good reason to focus on the NCAA and not the Olympics. He did run the BU season opener and was well behind Blanks in 13:13 - it would have seemed pretty desperate to come back to the very next BU meet and run the same race again. Outdoors just didn't pan out with any good qualifying attempt races - everyone else had already gotten the standard at BU by that point. The LA Grand Prix would have been right in between doubling at ACCs and NCAA regionals.
The play was to:
run the 3000m (not the 5000m ) at BU in early December
Then run the 5000m at BU at the end of Jan (instead of Penn mile)
Which is what Nico (Mike Smith) did
He did not have to double at ACC
Heath Baldwin did not compete at NCAA and is now an Olympian.
You always have “choices”
I agree, it was not obvious. He did not have the luxury that Canadian Thomas Fafard had for example (go to Europe in May). But it was not impossible
BTW: it looks like Beamish will be running the 5000m after all and AUS are presenting all their relevant runners (2) in the 5000m (McDonald and McSweyn)
at this point, it’s 99% sure that Blanks is in
UNC lost ACC champs by just five points, so they absolutely needed Wolfe to double if they wanted a chance.
The fast Terrier 5k was a last minute thing. You knew there would be a fast 5k at some point but it could have come together at any meet between Terrier and Last Chance/DMR Challenge - hard to plan a season around that. Neko did both the 3k and 5k at the season opener by the way, but he avoided the fast heat of the 5k even though his time was plenty fast. I think the idea was to knock out both NCAA qualifiers, avoid another head-to-head race right after a disappointing XC season, and regroup in January. He wasn't saving it for a Olympic qualifying race that hadn't even come together yet.
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Trying to understand here wrote:
cvkjbkvk b wrote:
If Wolfe does not qualify on July 7th, he’s 100% out and McGorty is the alternate.
Wait this is interesting, so the alternate in pretty much any event always has to be someone with the standard, right? Because if your alternate doesn’t have the standard but does have a ton of points, then they will get scratched, and WA fills the field up with people who qualified on points. So even if you place 4th at the trials and ahead on the points list of people from other countries who are actually in the Olympics, you still get scratched and someone behind you gets to be the alternate. Correct?
The the alternate either has the standard or is in the quota on points he can be entered. If he or she doesn't have either, he cannot be entered as an alternate.
This isn't particularly complicated.
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Runnerrrrr wrote:
By that logic, the only "Americans" are the Native Americans (Indians/First Nations). most of us on this forum - whether white, black, Asian, etc. - shouldn't be allowed to compete for this country either!
At what point does someone become American enough?
Edit: Abdi is legally an American citizen, that's good enough for me.
America isn’t a nation of the ethnic groups truly native to the land - that’s been on display by the government’s policies and actions toward its indigenous peoples, since America became a nation. This is an unfortunate atrocity that is one of the foundations of our country, that enable us to have the benefits and comforts we enjoy today.
America is a nation of ethnic groups not native to its land, people who chose to leave their native lands for the rights and opportunities America offered as a promise, to search for a better life. So, I would argue that immigrants and people who choose American citizenship over their native country are stronger representations of the American identity than people born here. As Americans, we should welcome representation by these groups, since they keep the American spirit and promise alive.
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terminology wrote:
5000 meters team should be Parker Wolfe, Graham Blanks, and Dylan Jacobs, so that there are three Americans.
This post should not have been deleted by a volunteer moderator. I'm sure it was deleted as the moderator viewed it incorrectly as being racist. In fact, it was quite clever. The poster was correctly pointing out that neither Fisher (a white man) or Nur (a black man) were born in the US. The post was race neutral.
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fada tyme wrote:
Trying to understand here wrote:
Wait this is interesting, so the alternate in pretty much any event always has to be someone with the standard, right? Because if your alternate doesn’t have the standard but does have a ton of points, then they will get scratched, and WA fills the field up with people who qualified on points. So even if you place 4th at the trials and ahead on the points list of people from other countries who are actually in the Olympics, you still get scratched and someone behind you gets to be the alternate. Correct?
The the alternate either has the standard or is in the quota on points he can be entered. If he or she doesn't have either, he cannot be entered as an alternate.
This isn't particularly complicated.
But the 4th runner of every country is scratched from the points quota, right? Only 3 count. So how can an alternate get in on points?
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Trying to understand here wrote:
fada tyme wrote:
The the alternate either has the standard or is in the quota on points he can be entered. If he or she doesn't have either, he cannot be entered as an alternate.
This isn't particularly complicated.
But the 4th runner of every country is scratched from the points quota, right? Only 3 count. So how can an alternate get in on points?
They would have the standard.
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Tagajaiapp800 wrote:
Trying to understand here wrote:
But the 4th runner of every country is scratched from the points quota, right? Only 3 count. So how can an alternate get in on points?
They would have the standard.
No scratched, but rather ignored.
As an alternate, McGorty only gets to run if Fisher, Nur or Blanks get injured (do not run).
BTW: Norway is also putting their 2 qualified runners in Paris (Jakob and Nordas).
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terminology wrote:
5000 meters team should be Parker Wolfe, Graham Blanks, and Dylan Jacobs, so that there are three Americans.
Xenophobia is clever?
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rojo wrote:
terminology wrote:
5000 meters team should be Parker Wolfe, Graham Blanks, and Dylan Jacobs, so that there are three Americans.
This post should not have been deleted by a volunteer moderator. I'm sure it was deleted as the moderator viewed it incorrectly as being racist. In fact, it was quite clever. The poster was correctly pointing out that neither Fisher (a white man) or Nur (a black man) were born in the US. The post was race neutral.
It’s just Xenophobic instead of racist.
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Running UberNerd wrote:
rojo wrote:
This post should not have been deleted by a volunteer moderator. I'm sure it was deleted as the moderator viewed it incorrectly as being racist. In fact, it was quite clever. The poster was correctly pointing out that neither Fisher (a white man) or Nur (a black man) were born in the US. The post was race neutral.
It’s just Xenophobic instead of racist.
This specific phobia is based on the geographic location of when the baby exited his mother’s body. So it’s time based and location based.
It’s quite a specific.
Also, the location issue is based on arbitrary geographic lines (the borders).
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