Teare was 32-seconds away from making the team in the 5000. He was 3.7 seconds away from making the team in the 1500.
I have no idea why you think "If only he'd gone all in on the 5k, he would have made it."
He was clearly off his game in both races. His 5000 abomination had little to do being "tired" from the 1500 that was run a week earlier. If i was him, I'd immmediately get a full blook panel done to see if he's anemic, has Covid, or mono or something else going on as it's hard to explain how bad he was.
Both races were pretty much ideal for him - fairly fast, pseudo time-trials and he was a total non-factor. Our logic was simple, "He's unlikely to make either team so two cracks at it are better than one."
Let's say if Teare runs just the 5000 and goes all in on one event, he has a 40% chance to make it. But if he doubles he has a 25% chance in both the 1500 and 5000. The math says it's better to double as then 43.75% of the time he'd make the team (1-(.75*.75)).
i can't believe all the votedowns for this. Teare was so bad in both, there is clearly something wrong with him, even if it's just generalized over training type of stuff. He would have gotten the doors blown off him either way in the 5000.
almost everyone who doubled did just fine. ESP, Hocker, sweitzer, cranny, etc. if you are at this level, you have the strength to double if you are on your game. there were no choices that Teare could made that would have panned out.
Disagree.
Looking at the men’s distance races, everyone that doubled, except for Fisher who is in a different league when it comes to endurance, did get their doors blown off. It is the ones who didn’t double that did well. The collegians that did well in the 5,000m did so because the guys who doubled had races, either the 10,000m or 1500m (races) in their legs. Audi was able to hang with Fisher and take the race to the line because he was fresh. Going down in distance, like Kessler did (1500 and 800), is vastly different then having a 10k or multiple 1500m races in ones legs going into 5,000m prelims and a final.
If you haven’t attempted to double in these events you simply do not know what you are talking about. If you haven’t attempted to double in these events at a US Championships/Olympic trials and you are commenting from never having to put out the energy physically and mentally then keep your thoughts to yourself because they are so off the mark. If, as your tag says, you are a high school coach - please do not pass your expectations of doubling onto your athletes without understanding of what it takes and the toll it takes to do.
I am flabbergasted at comments on this board that come from such little understanding of what it takes to compete at the level of US Olympic Trials.
As for the women and your comments. Without a doubt ESP, Cranny, and Sweitzer would have done better in their second event had they not run their first event. I believe ESP would have won the 1500. If she had been fresh, Cranny would have been higher up, Sweitzer would have won. They chose to run two events for their own reasons. All three showed fatigue in their second event.
Heck, Fisher showed fatigue in the 5,000m final. If he were fresh, like those who were behind him, he would have won by a large margin, and closed his last 1600m in probably 3:56
Hmmm... I'm not too sure about this. You're relying on a lot of percentages which doesn't take into account a ton of outside variables. Weather, how you feel, etc... Only Cooper and his coach know what's best. That being said, Cooper has never made an Olympic team and when going into the Oly trials and trying to double you better have an idea what your best event is and be able to make it and GO ALL IN! I think Cooper should have ONLY run the 5000m. He had a great fall/winter build up strength wise, ran sub 13:00 and his 1500m speed was in great form. If he was dialed in and focused on the 5000m he would've made the team.
I had posted in the Forum that he should focus exclusively on the 5000. They read my post on the air and said he should of course run both the 1500 and the 5000. I'm curious if they still feel that way. Teare ran poorly in both events and said he was tired in the 5000 due to running the 1500 earlier in the week.
Jonathan may have agreed with them. I don't remember. He certainly did not take my side of the argument.
Teare was 32-seconds away from making the team in the 5000. He was 3.7 seconds away from making the team in the 1500.
I have no idea why you think "If only he'd gone all in on the 5k, he would have made it."
He was clearly off his game in both races. His 5000 abomination had little to do being "tired" from the 1500 that was run a week earlier. If i was him, I'd immmediately get a full blook panel done to see if he's anemic, has Covid, or mono or something else going on as it's hard to explain how bad he was.
Both races were pretty much ideal for him - fairly fast, pseudo time-trials and he was a total non-factor. Our logic was simple, "He's unlikely to make either team so two cracks at it are better than one."
Let's say if Teare runs just the 5000 and goes all in on one event, he has a 40% chance to make it. But if he doubles he has a 25% chance in both the 1500 and 5000. The math says it's better to double as then 43.75% of the time he'd make the team (1-(.75*.75)).
How is someone who ran 12:54 in May unlikely to make the team? He should have been able to maintain that fitness, if healthy and coached well, to the trials.
Also, I saw nothing this year which would indicate a 25% chance of beating Kessler, Hocker or Nuguse unless someone fell. That was about a 1% chance.
He’s not a world class 1500 meter runner - the other three are. He is however a world class 5k runner.
Before the Trials and even after the 1500 was over, we had zero evidence that Hobbs Kessler was a world class 1500 runner. By World Class, Imean a guy who I think has a good shot at being top 5 in the world in the 1500 (last year 24 guys ran faster than Kessler's current 1500 pb on the year). He lost to Eric Holt in his previous race.
Speaking of Kessler, he sure looked exhausted in his 6th race of the Trials. Imagine if he wasn't totally cooked from all of that racing, he would have run something decent like 1:40 in the 800 :)
Something was wrong with Teare in Eugene. It wasn't the doubling.
I agree that something was wrong with him, but if you’re being responsible as a coach, you don’t run an athlete in three prelims in an event they had a very small chance of qualifying in, before an event they legitimately would have been projected to finish 3rd in. That’s just common sense.
What seems possible to me is that his mileage/training was down in the 5-6 weeks between the 12:54 and the trials, because of something bothering him. Regardless, if you go into the trials a 12:54 guy, you don’t screw around with an event you haven’t progressed in over the last 3+ years.
I agree that something was wrong with him, but if you’re being responsible as a coach, you don’t run an athlete in three prelims in an event they had a very small chance of qualifying in, before an event they legitimately would have been projected to finish 3rd in. That’s just common sense.
What seems possible to me is that his mileage/training was down in the 5-6 weeks between the 12:54 and the trials, because of something bothering him. Regardless, if you go into the trials a 12:54 guy, you don’t screw around with an event you haven’t progressed in over the last 3+ years.
And by “haven’t progressed,” I’m referring to his 3:50 indoor mile in early 2021, not to his outdoor 1500 time from that year.
Before the Trials and even after the 1500 was over, we had zero evidence that Hobbs Kessler was a world class 1500 runner. By World Class, Imean a guy who I think has a good shot at being top 5 in the world in the 1500 (last year 24 guys ran faster than Kessler's current 1500 pb on the year). He lost to Eric Holt in his previous race.
Speaking of Kessler, he sure looked exhausted in his 6th race of the Trials. Imagine if he wasn't totally cooked from all of that racing, he would have run something decent like 1:40 in the 800 :)
Something was wrong with Teare in Eugene. It wasn't the doubling.
Teare’s issue was that he isn’t that he isn’t a great runner. He’s borderline sub elite
Realistically, his chances without focusing on a single event were zero in both.
He just isn’t good enough at the 1500, especially considering how strong it is right now. If the race is honest he’s not beating hocker, nuguse, Kessler, and probably a few collegians and if it’s slow someone who can run a 1:45ish 800 is going right past him.
The 5k is a different story. A 12:54ish 5k shape Teare who is FRESH(and maybe in 12:50 shape?), stands a great chance of beating Parker Wolfe and really everyone else except Hocker who beat him, but hocker wasn’t fresh so that’s irrelevant.
By racing the 1500m he put a lot of heavy racing into his legs, which negated any chances he had in the 5k.
Realistically, his chances without focusing on a single event were zero in both.
He just isn’t good enough at the 1500, especially considering how strong it is right now. If the race is honest he’s not beating hocker, nuguse, Kessler, and probably a few collegians and if it’s slow someone who can run a 1:45ish 800 is going right past him.
The 5k is a different story. A 12:54ish 5k shape Teare who is FRESH(and maybe in 12:50 shape?), stands a great chance of beating Parker Wolfe and really everyone else except Hocker who beat him, but hocker wasn’t fresh so that’s irrelevant.
By racing the 1500m he put a lot of heavy racing into his legs, which negated any chances he had in the 5k.
I don’t know why many posters think he made a mistake by not running only the 5. Obviously he wasn’t in peak fitness, and he would have needed to be capable of 3:32, or faster, to make the 5000m team.
As far as the steeple goes, there are other 1500/5000m guys that would have a better chance at making the team in that event, but are not interested in doing so.
"he would have needed to be capable of 3:32, or faster, to make the 5000m team."
You think Parker Wolfe/Graham Banks can run 3:32? Get real. Crazy stuff lol... I'm not even convinced Nur or Fisher could run 3:32. Silly people on this board.
Also, he probably was capable of 3:32 just not after running two heats and probably saving a little bit for the 5000m. It's incredibly difficult to really go 100% if you know you're racing again in a few days. At the very least he was certainly capable of running a faster 1500 than Wolfe/Banks and probably even Nur.
"he would have needed to be capable of 3:32, or faster, to make the 5000m team."
You think Parker Wolfe/Graham Banks can run 3:32? Get real. Crazy stuff lol... I'm not even convinced Nur or Fisher could run 3:32. Silly people on this board.
Also, he probably was capable of 3:32 just not after running two heats and probably saving a little bit for the 5000m. It's incredibly difficult to really go 100% if you know you're racing again in a few days. At the very least he was certainly capable of running a faster 1500 than Wolfe/Banks and probably even Nur.
You act as if everyone has the same strength and weaknesses. Teare is a 1500/5000m runner while Wolfe and Banks are 5000/10000m guys. For Teare to beat them, he needs to have a significant edge over 1500m. Any 5/10 guy that can run 3:35, was going to easily beat the Teare that showed up at the trials. He wouldn’t have a chance in the steeple, either.
I don’t blame Cooper for doing the 1500m. You gotta believe in yourself, and running every single rep with Cole Hocker should give you all the confidence you need to make a US 1500m team.
Cooper’s fitness was not the problem. It’s his tactical awareness. In a fast paced race you have to be near the top 3 to have a chance. Cooper’s mistake was not being in position with 400 to go. He should’ve been where Ciatti was. Once he realized he had no shot with 200m to go, he packed it in.
Teare is also too addicted to the rail. He need to be comfortable with running just outside of lane 1 like Nuguse is when he’s not in the lead. Ultimately he over thinks it too much.
He was less than a second behind with 400m to go, but finished with a 56.8. With his fitness level at the trials, he had no chance of making the team, and tactical awareness had nothing to do with it.
I agree that something was wrong with him, but if you’re being responsible as a coach, you don’t run an athlete in three prelims in an event they had a very small chance of qualifying in, before an event they legitimately would have been projected to finish 3rd in. That’s just common sense.
What seems possible to me is that his mileage/training was down in the 5-6 weeks between the 12:54 and the trials, because of something bothering him. Regardless, if you go into the trials a 12:54 guy, you don’t screw around with an event you haven’t progressed in over the last 3+ years.
He won his tune-up race on June 9, and he's made no excuses about injuries on his social media or in the mixed zone. He was just off on the week, and that was compounded by doubling because almost everyone who doubled on the men's side struggled mightily in their second event.
Didn't he leave Bowerman bc they wanted him to run the 5,000? Obviously Fisher understood the assignment, regardless of the fact he left.
He appears to be easily distracted and overwhelmed. The couple posts are insufferable. Be more like Hocker, keep you "fits" and coffee shop posts to a minimum, sprinkle in some training shots and be ready on race day. He may not get another trials opportunity and that's sad. No one cares about European races later in the season in an Olympic yr.