You are oblivious to the sport. Or in outright denial.
I am a professional involved directly with the sport. And not in denial. And your opinion is not the truth.
No youre not,and yes youre in denial. Track and field,and many other sports are infested with drug use up to the eyeballs. There is no such thing as clean at top level.
Youre correct ,but the fancy shoes have helped make athletes 1.5- 2% faster (apparently) . If he's 2% slower,he would run 1.47.9 seconds. If he's 1.5% slower he's running close to 1.47 flat or so . Its all alleged,of course.
Many of the world records still on the books - Kratochvilova, Flojo, El G, Komen etc - were set in the old shoes. They don't make the kind of difference some claim they do.
I'd like to think the shoes make a small difference,and to my mind at least,1.5% is likely. Nowhere near as big an improvement as doping,but i believe they work a little bit. And ive noticed some old records are still there,shoes,drugs,or not.
You are oblivious to the sport. Or in outright denial.
You're obviously oblivious to how strictly Japan controls drug use of any kind.
There's informed skepticism, and there's ignorant cynicism. Guess which one applies to you.
Drug use can't be controlled. That is the problem with the sport. The best that can be achieved is that it can be discouraged. But most users aren't caught. Antidoping is window-dressing.
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There isn't an absolute benchmark that says "doping" unless it is a world record today. Below that involves an assessment of the athlete, their progression, where they come from, who trains them etc. However, what can also be taken as a rule of thumb is that with the estimated prevalence of doping in sport today, and that only "the dumb and the careless" get caught, it is unlikely that any athlete can compete at the top of the sport without it. The recent surge in times run by college age teens is also a red flag for me. It isn't just explained by training, tracks and shoes. WADA has categorised T and F with bodybuilding, weightlifting and cycling for risk of doping. What do you think are the chances that the best competitors in those sports aren't doped? A few years ago it was reported that 10 of the 11 fastest times over the 100m were from athletes who at some point incurred a doping violation. The one exception was Bolt - the fastest. Sure.
Because of the role played by doping today I don't think it's possible to give a time that must be considered "clean as a whistle", because a possibly mediocre but national level athlete could attain that time through doping. Perhaps 40 or 50 years ago such a time was probably assured to be clean.
My perspective is essentially this, that the presence of doping in sport (reliably reported as a billion dollar black market that mostly can't be detected through testing) has meant no performance can be trusted today, whether it is pro, elite, masters and even in schools.
His form is what struck me as most impressive about Ochiai-kun. He's obviously a powerful little fellow, but he gets the most out of that power with perfect balance and mechanics.
And his speed-endurance seems to be a notch above that of even his adult competitors. His M.O. seems to be to just run away from everyone else between 500m and 600m -- well before the kicking starts -- and then maintain that lead.
I analyzed a lot of Manzano's 800m runs back in the day (as a somewhat short guy myself trying to figure out how he ran so fast), and it seems like he and Ochiai have incredibly similar cadences, with the latter consistently running around 225 steps per minute dipping maybe to around 220spm at times. Imho, short guys in the 400/800 for the most part really need to have well above average cadences (see Luguelin Santos and Remy Quow) and closer to even splits to succeed.
Wish he didn't ease up at the end. With the reduction in cadence and step length, he could've gone at the absolute minimum .08 faster.
Many of the world records still on the books - Kratochvilova, Flojo, El G, Komen etc - were set in the old shoes. They don't make the kind of difference some claim they do.
I'd like to think the shoes make a small difference,and to my mind at least,1.5% is likely. Nowhere near as big an improvement as doping,but i believe they work a little bit. And ive noticed some old records are still there,shoes,drugs,or not.
So El G could have run a 3:39 mile in these shoes?
Name one Japanese T&F athlete who has been busted for doping. Ever.
Kaori Yoshida, one of their Best marathoner for EPO
The Japan Sports Arbitration Agency on Tuesday announced it had accepted a plea by the Japan Anti-Doping Agency to have Japanese marathoner Kaori Yoshida's suspension increased from one year to two. Yoshida tested positive for the performance-enhancing drug erythropoietin (EPO) after finishing fourth at last December's Honolulu Marathon. Yoshida claimed she had received medication from a doctor in November to treat anemia and it was unknown to her the prescription contained EPO.
The offense would normally merit a two-year suspension, but the body that handles disciplinary measures, the Japan Doping Prevention and Discipline Panel, in May decided on one year due to the circumstances of Yoshida' first drug offense. JADA, however, disagreed with that decision, saying two years were warranted because the athlete failed to pay sufficient attention. "The Discipline Panel is completely independent of JADA," a JADA spokesperson explained. "There are times, such as this, when we state our disagreement."
The Japan Sports Arbitration Agency on Tuesday announced it had accepted a plea by the Japan Anti-Doping Agency to have Japanese marathoner Kaori Yoshida's suspension increased from one year to two.
Name one Japanese T&F athlete who has been busted for doping. Ever.
An example above has been given you. But it also establishes my point. With obvious rare exceptions they aren't getting caught. But they will be doping, since they, too, will be focused on succeeding.
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As the Japan Times story indicates, she took a drug she was prescribed for anemia. It contained EPO. That's why Japan's doping agency originally gave her a 1-year suspension.
And no, she was not "one of their best marathoner" (sic). Her PR is 2:28:24. That puts her at no. 141 on the Japanese all-time list.
That's the only example of Japanese "doping" you can come up with and you honestly think 16- and 17-year-old Japanese kids are doping?
As the Japan Times story indicates, she took a drug she was prescribed for anemia. It contained EPO. That's why Japan's doping agency originally gave her a 1-year suspension.
And no, she was not "one of their best marathoner" (sic). Her PR is 2:28:24. That puts her at no. 141 on the Japanese all-time list.
That's the only example of Japanese "doping" you can come up with and you honestly think 16- and 17-year-old Japanese kids are doping?
You completely miss the point. I said doping can't be controlled now. That means very few will be caught. Your post effectively makes that point for me.
You completely miss the point. I said doping can't be controlled now. That means very few will be caught. Your post effectively makes that point for me.
Now you're simply being dishonest. Here's what you actually said in your first response on this thread:
'In the sport today fast times - wherever they occur - are achieved the same way, and especially by teen "prodigies".'
You're clearly implying that these Japanese kids are cheating. Which is, of course, a patent lie.
You completely miss the point. I said doping can't be controlled now. That means very few will be caught. Your post effectively makes that point for me.
Now you're simply being dishonest. Here's what you actually said in your first response on this thread:
'In the sport today fast times - wherever they occur - are achieved the same way, and especially by teen "prodigies".'
You're clearly implying that these Japanese kids are cheating. Which is, of course, a patent lie.
It isn't a lie. You are apparently not intelligent enough to follow what I was saying. Doping is through the sport and mostly can't be detected or controlled. The percentage caught is far less than those doping. And that is my point - when doping can't be adequately controlled then athletes will continue to dope. Japanese runners will dope just like athletes in other countries. And they show it with their comparable performances.
Now you're simply being dishonest. Here's what you actually said in your first response on this thread:
'In the sport today fast times - wherever they occur - are achieved the same way, and especially by teen "prodigies".'
You're clearly implying that these Japanese kids are cheating. Which is, of course, a patent lie.
It isn't a lie. You are apparently not intelligent enough to follow what I was saying. Doping is through the sport and mostly can't be detected or controlled. The percentage caught is far less than those doping. And that is my point - when doping can't be adequately controlled then athletes will continue to dope. Japanese runners will dope just like athletes in other countries. And they show it with their comparable performances.
He is way more intelligent than you. You lie, you are dishonest, you are ignorant, nobody likes you, when you die not only you will not be missed, people will celebrate it. You bring nothing positive to the world.
It isn't a lie. You are apparently not intelligent enough to follow what I was saying. Doping is through the sport and mostly can't be detected or controlled. The percentage caught is far less than those doping. And that is my point - when doping can't be adequately controlled then athletes will continue to dope. Japanese runners will dope just like athletes in other countries. And they show it with their comparable performances.
He is way more intelligent than you. You lie, you are dishonest, you are ignorant, nobody likes you, when you die not only you will not be missed, people will celebrate it. You bring nothing positive to the world.
He is way more intelligent than you. You lie, you are dishonest, you are ignorant, nobody likes you, when you die not only you will not be missed, people will celebrate it. You bring nothing positive to the world.
