It doesn't really matter. The U.S. is hopelessly weak in the steeplechase, with ZERO chance of a medal. And zero chance of even being in sight when the winner crosses the line.
It matters who gets "olympian" next to their name. If it doesn't, why care about sport at all?
No, I think the math is that if Corrigan wins this meet, he only needs 8:20 to hit the necessary world rank because of the bonus points. So if Jaeger shows up and wins, Corrigan gets less bonus points and would need a faster time. So if jaeger wants to play spoiler, he could. Obviously it doesn't matter if Corrigan hits the standard, but Jager could screw Corrigan out of the necessary rankings points if it comes down to that.
Is it really "screwing" Corrigan out of the points, in a competitive sport situation? Is it somehow classless to compete for a spot at the Olympics? No, it's not. I honestly hate the ranking system precisely for this reason. WA needs to go back to a time standard, make it reasonable instead of insane like it is now, and then we can go back to the old way of knowing who was and wasn't on the team as soon as the Trials results were official.
Obviously this whole system is new, so we haven't really developed ethical standards around these types of issues, but I bet if Jager went to this Penn meet, sat on corrigan the entire time, and just outkicked him the final 100 to ensure that Corrigan didn't get the points. There would be alot of people who would agree with me that it wasn't classy.
First, awesome that Corrigan is doing this. It’s better than flying to Uzbekistan or whatever it is that Rojo found. (no bad on Rojo, I just mean this is a more realistic option).
Second, who cares if a little bit of prize money improves the chances slightly. It’s not gaming the system, it is just the system. This is an eager young athlete, sitting on the edge, and trying to find any way to make it in. That is added drama, and what we love about sport.
Finally, PLEASE have Jaeger enter this too. It would be awesome drama. And only helpful to Corrigan. If the torch is to be passed, let it be done properly. Frankly, I don’t think that Jaeger could beat him, but wouldn’t it be cool to see the race? There is no scenario in which this is dishonorable for Jager other than the ludicrous one somebody wrote above where he got in front and tried to slowed it down. That is never going to happen. The guy is a US distance running hero, and he would do everything he could to run fast. I understand the point that Jaeger’s ranking is high enough, and he doesn’t need this, but there is no problem with him really racing to be …not just a spoiler… but the person who tries to put in emphatic stamp on this final spot… Well, Corrigan would certainly respect that, and be honored that the old hero put it down just a race him. That’s a story almost as good as going to the Olympics —- Remember when Evan Jaeger showed up just to race me?
OK, I know I’m inventing dream scenarios. It was a fun way to kill 5 minutes.
Whatever money was needed would be easy to fundraise / crowdsource from BYU alum if they have a decent network to communicate through and spread the word: "donate $5 for a chance to give your bellow BYU athlete a chance to be an olympian".
...But what if Jager was the one who put up the prize money to create this opportunity for Corrigan? And if Jager won't race Corrigan - what if Jager shows up and paces Corrigan?
So with current standings, he needs to run sub 8:18 and win to pass the lowest ranked guy at 36. That gives him at least 1247 points along with his 1186 and 1161 to get him up to 1198 average.
And then he could get bumped if more people get onto the list. But he also gets helped by dumb federations (like GBR) that deny their athletes spots at the Olympics if they haven't met a certain time despite being in on ranking.
Basically still has to run the standard with miniscule chances to get in on points if he just barely misses the standard, and the standings do not change.
Is it 8:18 or 8:20? Tweet says 8:20. Your post says 8:18
This is absolutely disgraceful. A meet with a certain amount of prize money is supposed to offer extra points because it’s a higher quality meat that people knew about it for a long time and thus could enter. To up the prize money on like one days notice so a college educated white guy can go to the Olympics is absurd. What if the person missing out wasn’t Jager but was instead some poor black guy from Botswana or something?
and then rooks is going to purposely drop out? How about an honest effort rule? This is like the definition of fixing a sporting match yet And Rory in the tweet is praising it? Bonus points should not count.
This reminds me when everyone in Nike was wearing the cheatwr shoes and no one else had them, and they didn’t realize how much against the spirit of their he sport this was.
Should jager fans just raise money so he gets a random Kenyan to come in and win it so he doesn’t get the bonus points?
L take. First of all, James is hispanic, not white. Not that it matters, just felt like the label on him being white was a little out of pocket.
Second of all, races are paced all the time for the sole purpose of hitting a standard. Yes, rabbits drop out too. This is no different than any race that would have taken place 2 months ago, it just so happened that James was more at the NCAA level back then and now he is fit enough to chase olympic dreams. He shouldn't be punished just for being ready for the olympics when it matters now.
Third of all, if it were all about the spirit of racing, he'd be locked in just by getting top 3 at the trials, and not having to deal with arbitrary standards or rankings. He already beat some of America's best on the day it mattered. Yes, I know why those measures are in place, but just because James hasn't hit them in the minuscule window he's had compared to all these pros, suddenly its a disgrace that he's even considered to go?
This is absolutely disgraceful. A meet with a certain amount of prize money is supposed to offer extra points because it’s a higher quality meat that people knew about it for a long time and thus could enter. To up the prize money on like one days notice so a college educated white guy can go to the Olympics is absurd. What if the person missing out wasn’t Jager but was instead some poor black guy from Botswana or something?
and then rooks is going to purposely drop out? How about an honest effort rule? This is like the definition of fixing a sporting match yet And Rory in the tweet is praising it? Bonus points should not count.
This reminds me when everyone in Nike was wearing the cheatwr shoes and no one else had them, and they didn’t realize how much against the spirit of their he sport this was.
Should jager fans just raise money so he gets a random Kenyan to come in and win it so he doesn’t get the bonus points?
When did you become a big critical race theorist? It's not a crime to be white.
Currently James 3 best scores are (1186, 1161, 1137 = avg 1161)
he would need to get his average to 1198 to be in the world ranking quota.
In order to do that he would need to score 1247.
With only 35 bonus points the raw score would need to be 1212
1212 is equal to running sub-8:10.
so the only route for James is the standard aka sub-8:15 not via world rankings.
That list includes the 2 Americans that have the standard but didn't make the team. Those people (Hilary Bor and Anthony Rotich) are removed from the top-36 list since they are not accepted by the National Federation (USATF) to be a part of the Olympic team, as they didn't get top 3 at the national championships. The calculation they're doing is going based off of the mark he would need to run to get to the athlete that would be on the bubble excluding Bor and Rotich, which is William Battershill. (There's other athletes above him that are on the bubble, but they are the 5th Moroccan and 4th Swedish steeplers, so aren't included in the list of entries as only a max of 3 athletes per country are allowed to compete.)
So he'd need to get his average mark to 1190, with his top mark needing to be more than 1192 points to beat Battershill on top-score countback.
1190*3=3570
3570-(1186+1161)=1223
1223-35=1188
1188 IAAF performance points in the 3000m steeplechase=8:15.35 (He could also do it in an equivalent event for rankings, like a 2000m steeplechase, where he'd need to run 5:19.22 with this calculation.)
needs to run auto standard is correct. especially considering it will take more than the current 36th ranked score....very likely FIN, NOR, JPN & ITA athletes will jump that score with their ntl champs results this wknd.
Currently James 3 best scores are (1186, 1161, 1137 = avg 1161)
he would need to get his average to 1198 to be in the world ranking quota.
In order to do that he would need to score 1247.
With only 35 bonus points the raw score would need to be 1212
1212 is equal to running sub-8:10.
so the only route for James is the standard aka sub-8:15 not via world rankings.
There are going to be guys in that top 36 that don't go for various reasons, we just don't know who or how many until entries are officially announced. There are also guys who aren't in that top 36 who could win their national meet this weekend earning 70 points that would turn a sub-8:30 into a performance that factors into their top 3 average. None of this changes the fact Corrigan should aim for 8:15, but if he falls short and goes sub 8:20 he should still have a decent chance especially if he goes sub 8:18.
Rojo, love you man, but sometimes you seem critical and outraged just to be critical and outraged. Every system has inducements to try and nudge people a certain direction. And when you do, little workarounds, come up like this, and some people will like or not like.
But so what? they’re racing. If somebody didn’t want to lose a ranking spot, based on this, then they should’ve been ranked higher.
