What do we think, boys? Someone went to the men's clinic to get some topical T and was also taking some GNC grade testo booster plus some male enhancement product but didn't do his homework?
National class competitive bodybuilder/powerlifter back in 1980s. Have long since retired from competition but still weight lift almost daily at a gym staying in tune as to what drugs & supplements are being used these days.
19-Norandrosterone is an injectable anabolic steroid only. It's also known as Deca-Durabilin which was very popular with bodybuilders & strength athletes back in the 1970s/80s. But Deca stays in the system forever...and mean forever (he'd be glowing for months maybe even close to year Lol).
19-Norandrosterone is a testosterone molecule that the methyl group of the 19 carbon ring has been deleted which neutralizes the androgenic part (male secondary sexually characteristics) which increases the anabolic property (tissue growth/repair). This reduces side-effects dramatically and makes it attractive to athletes of all kinds (female bodybuilders love this steroid).
There's also some studies showing these compounds can significantly raise Hct/Hgb with older athletes (not so much with the younger guys though).
19- Nor DHEA is an oral compound which would clear the system much sooner (like DHEA it's sold over the internet as a dietary supplement).
The report says he showed metabolites from various 19-Norandrosterone sources - if one of those confirmed is the 19-Norandrosterone compound, then it would have to be the injectable Deca.
Doesn't look like he took any testosterone or TRT. Synthetic testosterone can easily be detected now by the carbon isotope ratio (CIR) test which can distinguish between naturally cholesterol-based testosterone from synthetic plant-derive testosterone (this was test used to catch Justin Gatlin who was using T-gels).
Doesn't surprise me that masters athletes would be using injectable anabolic steroids. A few years back the 90 yr old WR holder in a cycling event tested positive for epitrenbolone - a metabolite of Tren (injectable).
Anabolic steroids & testosterone would be highly efficacious with older men especially at that age. You're essentially reversing aging with the increase in lean muscle tissue, increase in strength, increase in Hct/Hgb, reduction of bodyfat, improve glucose metabolism, improved mental wellbeing and so forth. At my gym, I've seen TRT/HRT alone transform old dudes into Supermen. 😲
So, where can someone score some of this stuff? Asking for a friend.
Here are the revised results: 1. Linn 19:43 2. Larsen 20:19 3. Bell 21:06 Fu#k Qualls and all his records and wins should be expunged at least back to age 70.
I spent much of my running years chasing the faster runners. They were always helpful. This was in the mid1980’s. To say we overtrained would be an understatement. 40 years later there is a lot that has changed in the sport for good and bad. Sadly, local road race times are much slower now than then, the data is there to see. Using the information from this post and my own lack of knowledge about steroid usage (no need to worry unless fish oil, and Vitamin B supplements from my GP are a problem-I should look into these supplements-before trying to compete again), I will have to talk to my doctor about taking me off of adhd medication as that would probably be a banned substance. Thanks for this thread and shining a light on guys that are absolute weasels for using PEDs.
What do we think, boys? Someone went to the men's clinic to get some topical T and was also taking some GNC grade testo booster plus some male enhancement product but didn't do his homework?
The number of people getting anabolic steroids from trainers and lifting bros at the gym, not to mentioning ‘anti-aging’ clinics, is absurd.
I can understand that a person would want to maintain a degree of fitness even into old age, just to be able to live life as fully as possible. The years may bring wisdom, but how might that be given expression, if the body or mind become infirm?
So, I continue to run.
What he sought through competition, however, seems to have been an attempt to preserve not simply the spirit of youth, which can be admirable, but youth itself. It is as though we need not die, do not require salvation, and have no life of the spirit which survives.
In interviews, he spoke to his training and discipline as the reasons why he had become successful in vanquishing his competition. This revelation of his use of performance enhancing drugs calls all that into question. He cheated those he ran against and also himself, by not playing it straight, which is the only way once can compete in sports and derive satisfaction.
I feel a little sorry for him, though. Everyone wants to believe that he is special and worthy of love, and some will go some ways afield to justify that belief. Even so, the sins committed in darkness are always revealed. Perhaps for him, this is the beginning of wisdom.
We are some of the only ones, buddy. I’ve had 100-110 alcoholic drinks in my lifetime, no cigs, no tobacco, no vapes, no street drugs, no Rx stims, took half dosages of nsaids to recover from a painful surgery and tossed the opiates they gave me in the trash after my parents encouraged me to fill the prescription.
I even nixxed 100% of caffeine and chocolate from my diet
yeah, i know about this guy, whom i've never met (or can't recall meeting). i know about kevin castille, who's competing no longer as far as i can tell. but "even most all" of my competitors? if i believed that, it would make competing maddening. i'd rather believe that the 7 guys i raced recently on sunday in the 800 are clean; it's a simple choice on how to view the world--nothing stopping you from looking at it the way you choose...
This is how I choose to look at the world as well. You're right it's a choice. If it's obvious someone's cheating/lying/slacking then I don't ignore it, but otherwise I assume the best of people. I couldn't imagine living otherwise.
Sad to say that there are plenty more of these. By private admission in one case, plus outlier results and physique in general, there were other age group winners in age 50 and older divisions at Club Nationals in Tallahassee that are doing TRT. It's a shame that there isn't more testing.
I don't really understand you guys who are saying "hey, no reason to focus on those guys and just compete against yourself." Sure, it's not healthy or productive to obsess over it, but we're all competitive and a lot of the fun of racing is getting after it against guys our age. What's the point of flying to some place like Tallahassee otherwise? I can race plenty in my own area if I just want to compete against myself. So, yeah, it pisses me off that some guys are blatantly cheating, and the podium-type cheaters absolutely know TRT is cheating. F them.
Sad to say that there are plenty more of these. By private admission in one case, plus outlier results and physique in general, there were other age group winners in age 50 and older divisions at Club Nationals in Tallahassee that are doing TRT. It's a shame that there isn't more testing.
I don't really understand you guys who are saying "hey, no reason to focus on those guys and just compete against yourself." Sure, it's not healthy or productive to obsess over it, but we're all competitive and a lot of the fun of racing is getting after it against guys our age. What's the point of flying to some place like Tallahassee otherwise? I can race plenty in my own area if I just want to compete against myself. So, yeah, it pisses me off that some guys are blatantly cheating, and the podium-type cheaters absolutely know TRT is cheating. F them.
I’m right there with you. this guys ego must be massive and his quest for attention unparalleled. If I am still racing in 3 years and he is on the line you can bet he is going to hear it from me.
I would caution that in less than a decade, TRT will be considered legal. That's the way legislation is moving through the courts. It's a better life experience for many as we evolve into anti-aging therapies. Remember, aging is a DISEASE. It has a right to be battled and TRT may be one of the early modalities for health in men. Sure, he didn't need to compete, but if he felt healthier and fitter, good for him. Just bad timing.
I am sure there a genetic outliers, but there is a another 60+ age grouper from the West Coast that has an eerily similar body structure to Qualls that has been making the podium the both the indoor track and Masters outdoor events leading up to this year's National Outdoor Masters Championships this July 18-21).
Currently, he is entered in two mid distance events. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he 'suddenly' has an injury and decides not to compete. (yep, looking at you Mr. 2:27 and 5:10 seed time). If he does compete and podiums like indoors, he may be a great candidate to test as well.
I'm a younger masters runner who has never had to race this guy (except maybe on the roads), and even I knew exactly who you were talking about before I went and looked it up to confirm. Sometimes things are so obvious it's pathetic.
USADA announced today that Robert Qualls, of Reno, Nev., an athlete in the sport of track and field, has accepted a three-year period of ineligibility for an anti-doping rule violation after testing positive for multiple prohibited substances.
Qualls, 72, tested positive for amphetamine and 19-norandrosterone (19-NA), a metabolite of nandrolone (19-nortestosterone) and other 19-norsteroids as the result of a urine sample collected at the USA Track & Field Masters 5km Championships on February 24, 2024. Additionally, Qualls’s urine sample was analyzed using a specialized test known as Isotope Ratio Mass Spectrometry (IRMS), that unequivocally differentiates between anabolic androgenic steroids (AAS) naturally produced by the body and AAS of synthetic origin. The IRMS analysis was consistent with the exogenous origin of testosterone and/or its metabolites in Qualls’s sample. USADA was contracted by event organizers to conduct testing and results management for the event and collected Qualls’s sample in accordance with the WADA International Standard for Testing.
I'm actually shocked he got tested. I did one of these masters events last year and they only tested guys who placed overall (guys in the 40-44 range), they didn't test anyone over 45.