You are comparing sea level times to altitude. The season in CO is also much shorter with poor weather conditions most of the season. The comparison is not apples to apples.
Fair point about sea level to altitude times. But CO has an advantage in jumps and throws with altitude so we would expect relatively better perforances if that was the only variable. But only one CO boy broke 23 (barely) in the LJ compared to 27 in CA. And in TX 11 broke 24 and 53 broke 23. CO just has a relatively small population so it will always have less depth than much larger states.
Your few numbers don't really hold up.
Texas and California are not really comparable for a number of reasons. Their spring season starts 6-8 week before Colorado, and the California season goes for several weeks after. In Colorado track athletes are usually battling cold temps, wind, and snow into May. Not to mention Texas and California have 5X and 6X the population.
There is no question that Colorado hits well above its weight in distance running. And if you are making any comparisons of times for sprint or marks for field event then do it on a per capita basis, and sure maybe only rank those at sea level competition. There are so many national level meets now, it wouldn't be impossible to do that.
Eh I mean yeah if you are talking about depth, and if you are talking about sprints, field, and throws, CA is always going to come out on top, as will Florida and other places with bigger populations.
I thought we were talking about distance, and Michalak, Allori and Ritz are three of the best distance runners in the county. They went 1-2-4 at NXN, with Ella Hagen (10:06 3200m) 10th and a horde of others that are very solid as well. In the distance races, CA vs. CO would probably end up with CO runners 1-2-3.
Other than the last name, Allori had the better meet:
4x800: 2:10.31 split (1st)
800: 2:09.16 (1st)
1600: 4:45.44 (1st)
3200: 10:39.03 (1st)
Yeah Allori was the star of the meet for sure, although she has less lcomp in 3A. They are a good match to be honest, I wish they were in the same division. I think Allori is the better runner over 800 and a slight edge over 1600, Ritz probably takes it in 3200 and XC. Their best showdowns would be in the 1600 and 3200 so it’s a shame they only raced once this season (at Arcadia in the mile, with Allori winning that matchup).
Not obvious that Ritz would beat Allori in the 3200. At state, Allori ran the 3200 less than two hours after the 2:10 split in the 4 x 8, both races in warm conditions. Allori won the 3200 at Arcadia, and she also has the Colorado all-classification 3200 mark at 10:04, ahead of Ritz (and Cranny, Rainsberger, Oakley, Michalak, etc.)
None of this is to take away from what young Ritz has done this year. But Allori put together an all-time great track season this year as well. She's undefeated across all distances 800 and up, and she's taken on all comers in the most competitive meets out there. She now has all the 3A distance state records, and the all-classification 3200 mark. That's a heckuva year.
Both are phenomenal young runners. Everyone should be able to agree on that.
Yeah Allori was the star of the meet for sure, although she has less lcomp in 3A. They are a good match to be honest, I wish they were in the same division. I think Allori is the better runner over 800 and a slight edge over 1600, Ritz probably takes it in 3200 and XC. Their best showdowns would be in the 1600 and 3200 so it’s a shame they only raced once this season (at Arcadia in the mile, with Allori winning that matchup).
Not obvious that Ritz would beat Allori in the 3200. At state, Allori ran the 3200 less than two hours after the 2:10 split in the 4 x 8, both races in warm conditions. Allori won the 3200 at Arcadia, and she also has the Colorado all-classification 3200 mark at 10:04, ahead of Ritz (and Cranny, Rainsberger, Oakley, Michalak, etc.)
None of this is to take away from what young Ritz has done this year. But Allori put together an all-time great track season this year as well. She's undefeated across all distances 800 and up, and she's taken on all comers in the most competitive meets out there. She now has all the 3A distance state records, and the all-classification 3200 mark. That's a heckuva year.
Both are phenomenal young runners. Everyone should be able to agree on that.
Allori is a senior so I is not as impressive with she times.
My guy, it looks like the CO roads were in good enough repair for the kids to drive to Arcadia and get beat.
You need to double check the girls 3200 results. Allori won by a straightaway. This year at least, Colorado was heads and shoulders above everyone on the girls side and Utah was dominant for the boys, even without accounting for population differences.
Eh I mean yeah if you are talking about depth, and if you are talking about sprints, field, and throws, CA is always going to come out on top, as will Florida and other places with bigger populations.
I thought we were talking about distance, and Michalak, Allori and Ritz are three of the best distance runners in the county. They went 1-2-4 at NXN, with Ella Hagen (10:06 3200m) 10th and a horde of others that are very solid as well. In the distance races, CA vs. CO would probably end up with CO runners 1-2-3.
Those 4 girls are pretty special, I don't know that there is anyone that is quite at that level next year after Michalak and Allori graduate. In the past we've had stars like Brie Oakley and Riley Stewart but what we have right now is 3 girls at that level at the same time which is pretty unprecedented. We have some talented girls coming up but I don't know that any of them compare to Allori or Michalak's times or NXR/NXN finishes as underclassman, meaning I don't see Colorado replacing those two next year or the year after. So for the next two years Colorado will probably be back to having one superstar runner with Ritzenhein.
When you look at national track rankings Colorado has 1 girl ranked in the top 50 in the 800 (Allori's 2:09 at state is 42nd), 3 girls in the top 50 in the 1600 (Michalak, Ritzenhein and Allori) and 3 girls ranked in the top 50 in the 3200 (Allori, Hagen and Keeghan Edwards at 50th) and two more with Michalak and Ritzenhein if they ran an actual 3200 at sea level but they would bump Edwards out. So when you just look at track times the only event you could really argue Colorado is punching above its weight in is probably the 3200.
As a total aside, two events Colorado are doing very well in track and field is girl's pole vault and long jump. We have 3 girls in the top 10 in pole vault right now and 5 girls in the top 50 in long jump.
For those comparing Colorado to California please be reminded that Colorado's population is ~6 million people while Califonia's populations is ~40 million (roughly 7 times Colorado)
Eh I mean yeah if you are talking about depth, and if you are talking about sprints, field, and throws, CA is always going to come out on top, as will Florida and other places with bigger populations.
I thought we were talking about distance, and Michalak, Allori and Ritz are three of the best distance runners in the county. They went 1-2-4 at NXN, with Ella Hagen (10:06 3200m) 10th and a horde of others that are very solid as well. In the distance races, CA vs. CO would probably end up with CO runners 1-2-3.
Those 4 girls are pretty special, I don't know that there is anyone that is quite at that level next year after Michalak and Allori graduate. In the past we've had stars like Brie Oakley and Riley Stewart but what we have right now is 3 girls at that level at the same time which is pretty unprecedented. We have some talented girls coming up but I don't know that any of them compare to Allori or Michalak's times or NXR/NXN finishes as underclassman, meaning I don't see Colorado replacing those two next year or the year after. So for the next two years Colorado will probably be back to having one superstar runner with Ritzenhein.
When you look at national track rankings Colorado has 1 girl ranked in the top 50 in the 800 (Allori's 2:09 at state is 42nd), 3 girls in the top 50 in the 1600 (Michalak, Ritzenhein and Allori) and 3 girls ranked in the top 50 in the 3200 (Allori, Hagen and Keeghan Edwards at 50th) and two more with Michalak and Ritzenhein if they ran an actual 3200 at sea level but they would bump Edwards out. So when you just look at track times the only event you could really argue Colorado is punching above its weight in is probably the 3200.
As a total aside, two events Colorado are doing very well in track and field is girl's pole vault and long jump. We have 3 girls in the top 10 in pole vault right now and 5 girls in the top 50 in long jump.
Actually I missed Payton Meineke in the 3200 (16th at Arcadia) so Colorado could arguably put 6 girls in the top 50 in the 3200 nationally, definitely punching above our weight there.
Those 4 girls are pretty special, I don't know that there is anyone that is quite at that level next year after Michalak and Allori graduate. In the past we've had stars like Brie Oakley and Riley Stewart but what we have right now is 3 girls at that level at the same time which is pretty unprecedented. We have some talented girls coming up but I don't know that any of them compare to Allori or Michalak's times or NXR/NXN finishes as underclassman, meaning I don't see Colorado replacing those two next year or the year after. So for the next two years Colorado will probably be back to having one superstar runner with Ritzenhein.
When you look at national track rankings Colorado has 1 girl ranked in the top 50 in the 800 (Allori's 2:09 at state is 42nd), 3 girls in the top 50 in the 1600 (Michalak, Ritzenhein and Allori) and 3 girls ranked in the top 50 in the 3200 (Allori, Hagen and Keeghan Edwards at 50th) and two more with Michalak and Ritzenhein if they ran an actual 3200 at sea level but they would bump Edwards out. So when you just look at track times the only event you could really argue Colorado is punching above its weight in is probably the 3200.
As a total aside, two events Colorado are doing very well in track and field is girl's pole vault and long jump. We have 3 girls in the top 10 in pole vault right now and 5 girls in the top 50 in long jump.
Actually I missed Payton Meineke in the 3200 (16th at Arcadia) so Colorado could arguably put 6 girls in the top 50 in the 3200 nationally, definitely punching above our weight there.
as a california runner it was pretty crazy seeing how many colorado girls broke 10 minutes last year in the 3200 at arcadia. I don't know why people are being so competitive about it. colorado comes to arcadia and runs very well, they are definitely one of the best running states if not the best.
For those comparing Colorado to California please be reminded that Colorado's population is ~6 million people while Califonia's populations is ~40 million (roughly 7 times Colorado)
Agreed. I was trying to keep it simple. If we start normalizing for population I'm 100% confident that Wyoming will come out on top, but we might have to go down to the top 500 to prove it (; The way I look at it is any state that's not California, Texas or Florida that is capable of putting more than 1 athlete in the top 50 nationally in any track and field event is punching way above their weight. It's a quick test that doesn't take all afternoon compiling numbers.
For those comparing Colorado to California please be reminded that Colorado's population is ~6 million people while Califonia's populations is ~40 million (roughly 7 times Colorado)
If we start normalizing for population I'm 100% confident that Wyoming will come out on top
Wyoming would NOT come out on top. It's amazing what posters on here are 100% confident about, even though they are completely wrong.
Yeah Allori was the star of the meet for sure, although she has less lcomp in 3A. They are a good match to be honest, I wish they were in the same division. I think Allori is the better runner over 800 and a slight edge over 1600, Ritz probably takes it in 3200 and XC. Their best showdowns would be in the 1600 and 3200 so it’s a shame they only raced once this season (at Arcadia in the mile, with Allori winning that matchup).
Allori won the 3200 at Arcadia and Ritz was in the mile, they haven't raced each other this track season.
They actually did race each other indoors in the 2-mile at New Balance Nationals. Allori was 2nd in 9:48 and Ritz was 3rd in 9:52.
For those comparing Colorado to California please be reminded that Colorado's population is ~6 million people while Califonia's populations is ~40 million (roughly 7 times Colorado)
Yet little Colorado has several divisions while one California kid per event wins gold. That makes for a great(er) state meet.
For those comparing Colorado to California please be reminded that Colorado's population is ~6 million people while Califonia's populations is ~40 million (roughly 7 times Colorado)
Yet little Colorado has several divisions while one California kid per event wins gold. That makes for a great(er) state meet.
