Steve The Addict OFFICIAL -----^^^^^ wrote:
Actually, ironically, the Indians are far more racist than whites who are generally not racist at all in modern society. There's been documented stories of Indians (from the country of India) being promoted to a management position in the USA and promptly firing all the whites and hiring only Indians.
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Doofy wrote:
Steve The Addict OFFICIAL -----^^^^^ wrote:
Actually, ironically, the Indians are far more racist than whites who are generally not racist at all in modern society. There's been documented stories of Indians (from the country of India) being promoted to a management position in the USA and promptly firing all the whites and hiring only Indians.
It's the same in Canada and not necessarily in high-skilled jobs. Like, Indian guy becomes manager of a McD, 7/11, or whatever, and 1 year later the workplace is 90% Indian.
On topic though, I'd say that even running a 20 minute 5k in that polluted air should be celebrated. They're literally hard at work sabotaging the expected increase in average lifespan by not dealing with their sh*t.
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Cheating and scamming are endemic to Indian culture. The culture of scarcity makes everyone look for a way to get ahead, ethically or not. If a resource is found, Indians will hoard it instead of sharing it. They have a very different mindset. I had no idea doping was a problem there, but it makes sense to me based on the hundreds of Indians I have worked with over the years.
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India blossoming into a distance/athletics powerhouse for a variety of reasons...
Some footnotes:
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Doofy wrote:
Steve The Addict OFFICIAL -----^^^^^ wrote:
Actually, ironically, the Indians are far more racist than whites who are generally not racist at all in modern society. There's been documented stories of Indians (from the country of India) being promoted to a management position in the USA and promptly firing all the whites and hiring only Indians.
Utter BS. You have no first hand knowledge of either people from India or tech. Tech is about as merit-based as it gets in the US.
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I'm in American living in Mumbai. India has a huge population, but I doubt serious running will take off. The heat, bad roads, rains, stray dogs all conspire for slow running. Plus the AQI is terrible, some of the worst in the world. In Mumbai half the year is above 150, and lots of the country are even worse.
Cricket is the main sport. Badminton is popular. Local stuff like khokho or kabaddi are popular too.
Looking at IAAF it looks like the top Indian male ran 28:15 for the 10k and 13:29 for the 5k in 2023. That's a long way off being a powerhouse.
As far as poverty there is no comparision with the US. I've been to around 60 countries, and the only poorer place than India I've seen is Liberia....parts are wealthy but even those areas are full of slums. Racism is huge too. When I rented my apartment owners would ask my caste and religion. Not to mention the complete and utter disdain Indians show for poor people and service workers, who they view as below them.
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please sir do the needful wrote:
It's the same in Canada and not necessarily in high-skilled jobs. Like, Indian guy becomes manager of a McD, 7/11, or whatever, and 1 year later the workplace is 90% Indian.
On topic though, I'd say that even running a 20 minute 5k in that polluted air should be celebrated. They're literally hard at work sabotaging the expected increase in average lifespan by not dealing with their sh*t.
What a dolt. Let’s say that were true. A hardworking immigrant is probably getting his hardworking family members from back home to make an honest living. Isn’t this how many generational Americans originally came here?
Or he’s simply hiring from people he knows or that applied for such a low paying job that happened to be fellow immigrants. You really think Canadians are dying to work in fast food shops managed by an immigrant?
Finally, anti discrimination laws don’t apply to small family-run businesses. This is how the world works. Stop being bigoted for no reason.
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Though I realize that the question was about Indian runners, I do think it worth
pointing out that the world best male javelin thrower right now is probably
Neeraj Chopra.
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Thanks for the thread, OP. I was also wondering about this after looking at the Sound Running results. Not that they're about to win medals or anything, but all of a sudden there are a bunch of runners from India putting up decent world class-ish times. That's something that almost NEVER happened in the past other than isolated individual exceptions. And the thread (despite all the ridiculous garbage) has told me that the reason is there's a group of Indian athletes in Colorado Springs with Scott Simmons. It'll be interesting to see whether this becomes a sustainable and ongoing thing.
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hybhg wrote:
In the 90s, female Chinese runners had similar improvements....
Indian runners are shattering world records in distance events?
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CuriousGeorgefan wrote:
20 years ago I had never heard of anyone from India running well over middle/long distance events.
Today I have never heard of anyone from India running well over middle/long distance events.
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sveitiskefjellerforbebeygd wrote:
Yahahahaha wrote:
Switzerland.
I think you have difficulties with your reading perception. I said that my experience of Indian people is limited. I have however lived in a number of different countries. I've only been to the US twice, on holiday, and I was shocked at the levels of poverty in rural America, and how dirty and uncared for many areas of cities were. Of course, I've met rich, well educated Americans but the US simply has levels which in my country we associate with developing nations. Life expectancy not over 80 years is low. Here, it is over 84 years.
The average life expectancy in the EU is 80, meaning that numerous European countries have what you define as low life expectancy, i.e. below 80. Are they developing countries?
You come from one the wealthiest, most developed countries in Europe. I, from Norway, also do. I am also impressed by the level of poverty in rural parts of the United States, from a Scandinavian perspective. But I also know how impoverished and rough middle-class Americans would find parts of Brussels, Marseille, Sicily etc. Heck, send a suburbian American to Duisburg, Germany, and they will feel very uncomfortable and, in turn, superior. Don't project Swissness on Europe...its not very culturally conscious or nuanced.
Interesting post (I have a holiday home in Norway and you write like an American so you must have spent a lot of time there) but I'm not "projecting Swissness", simply pointing out that developed countries do not have the same levels of rural poverty as the US (some cities always have rough areas no matter how wealthy the country). When I was travelling around the US, I saw at the side of the road basic shacks made from scrap metal and bits of rough wood that people were living in (this was in Montana and Idaho). These housing conditions are as bad as that you would find in the third world. Charities here raise funds for similar conditions in Africa to build houses for people like these. It wasn't rare to see those roadside shacks, and those were only the ones I could see while driving past.
Expecting a country to provide its citizens with basic standard housing isn't "projecting Swissness". Its 2024, not 1924. Those shacks could not have possibly had water connected, or flushing toilets, or mains electricity. US animal welfare and farming produce laws are also not first world standard either. This is not a first world country by those basic markers.
And yes, the life expectancy in the US is low in comparison to other countries with similar GDP. The European average is brought down by the Eastern European countries, which were until the 80s under Soviet/communist rule. Cities like Marseille and Brussel have a great deal of immigration from a certain part of the world/religion which cause cultural differences, that is of a nature that the US does not have to deal with (different source of immigrants).
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Yahahahaha wrote:
As a
EuropeanChinese Person living inWestern EuropeGuanzhou,to meI am being paid (poorly) to push the narrative that there increasingly seems little between India and the US, both are developing countries with weak public infrastructure and low life expectancy. The US is a little more advanced, but still has levels of poverty traditionally associated with the third world. It has good pr though.But in terms of the premise, in my limited experience, all of the Indians I've ever known (have worked with quite a few) have been particularly physically weak and unable to do most basic sports to a competent level, getting tired easily and lacking muscle strength/getting out of breath quickly.We also don't really like Indian people here in China.FTFY
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"Americans live in roadside shacks" is certainly a claim... what else do you have for us, M. le comte de Tocqueville?
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Nah. wrote:
India is a hellhole. There is only hope for athletes who can escape from that pigsty.
Do you have anything to say about "India is a blossoming distance powerhouse"?
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Powerty in India exist, but it's not an argument here (and besides, it exists in Ethiopia and Kenya too).
India has such a large population that the number of people with higher education is close too, or maybe already even bigger, than the ENTIRE population of the USA!!!
Also, with the Himalayas in the north they have plenty of high altitude to build training camps at - they're a running powerhouse just waiting to happen.
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CuriousGeorgefan wrote:
Nah. wrote:
India is a hellhole. There is only hope for athletes who can escape from that pigsty.
Curious as to why you are so racist. I hope that doesn't work out for you and at some point you grow up. Don't be a jerk!
It is well-known that India is over populated, and poor, and that combination leads to terrible living conditions with a lot of trash that might resemble a pigsty. Not to mention it is incredibly hot in most of the country. It is a terrible place to train for distance running. Any good distance runner from India is likely to be someone who has moved away from India and then got fast. Pointing out these facts does not make you racist.
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MattHatter wrote:
their reputation for doping is almost worse than Kenya.
Doping in india isnt very sophisticated though.They take the drugs,but its not organised,and they dont have much knowledge about it.
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I pray to Ganesh that it doesn't bring a hoard of them to here, Indian sports fans are unbearable
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Calling india a pigsty has the implication that you think indians are pigs. Dehumanizing and generally a terrible thing to write. Why not just say the country is dirty and leave it at that?
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