We'll just have to wait and see how this pans out. Missing indoors will in no way hurt his Olympic racing, but obviously he needs to get healed-up and get back to normal training. With Jakob's huge training background, if he can get well in the near future, he'll have plenty of time to be completely fit for the Games.
Or maybe, starting into professional-type training before his teen years has finally caught up to him. We'll see....
Fair assessment. The concerning part is how bad injuries have picked apart top 1500m talent of late taking them out a year at a time (at least):
Tim Cheruiyot: Sustains injury in late-September 2020. Still to this day is struggling with treatment of it. One of the most consistent and healthy athletes from 2017-then. Now can run 3.29.0, but is a flare-up away from being a non-factor.
Jake Wightman: Sustains injury in early 2023, and misses entire season. Hopefully, will be back to form this year.
Yared Nuguse: Sustains injury at Tokyo 2021 (August), return back to form starts a full calendar year later in August 2022 after battling injuries/setbacks
Jake Heyward: Sustains injury late in 2022, has not raced since
Olli Hoare: Sustains injury in June 2023, has faced multiple setbacks, hopefully able to race at full-strength in Spring
Neil Gourley: Sustains injury in July/August 2023, has faced some setbacks, hopefully able to race at full-strength in Spring
I'm sure this is somewhat of a biased sample, but the commonality amongst most of them is these were thought to be 2-3 months injuries but instead setbacks followed at that stage and the athlete is looking at 8+ months before full training if not more. Of course, the close evidence of Henrik and Filip makes this extra-concerning.
It was said that he had a "sacrum injury" in November, with little details released at the time & now this. I can't imagine a sacrum injury could be anything but a bone stress injury. That's usually a 4-6 week injury, at minimum. I wonder if he rushed back into training & then this flared up.
Funny you should say this, I recently had a stress fracture as well (although in a different bone) and rushed back into training after six weeks. I also had a "flare-up" in my achilles. I still don't know what it was exactly but it went away fully after two more weeks of no running.
I understand that these could be two totally different situations, but since Jakob didn't specifically mention tendonitis or anything like that I doubt it's anything serious.
Achilles injuries are bad news. I hope he can recover, but it’s quite possible we have seen his lifetime best last year.
I don’t know -it’s only some days ago Kristoffer I. had a photo on Strava of Jakob running on a treadmill, and Jakob talks about recovering, so maybe he can do some running in between the alternative training..? On the other hand skipping his second altitude camp in a row may be a bad sign…
Fair assessment. The concerning part is how bad injuries have picked apart top 1500m talent of late taking them out a year at a time (at least):
Tim Cheruiyot: Sustains injury in late-September 2020. Still to this day is struggling with treatment of it. One of the most consistent and healthy athletes from 2017-then. Now can run 3.29.0, but is a flare-up away from being a non-factor.
Jake Wightman: Sustains injury in early 2023, and misses entire season. Hopefully, will be back to form this year.
Yared Nuguse: Sustains injury at Tokyo 2021 (August), return back to form starts a full calendar year later in August 2022 after battling injuries/setbacks
Jake Heyward: Sustains injury late in 2022, has not raced since
Olli Hoare: Sustains injury in June 2023, has faced multiple setbacks, hopefully able to race at full-strength in Spring
Neil Gourley: Sustains injury in July/August 2023, has faced some setbacks, hopefully able to race at full-strength in Spring
I'm sure this is somewhat of a biased sample, but the commonality amongst most of them is these were thought to be 2-3 months injuries but instead setbacks followed at that stage and the athlete is looking at 8+ months before full training if not more. Of course, the close evidence of Henrik and Filip makes this extra-concerning.
Filip got vaccine injured
Yes, unlike Henrik Filip seems to struggle at least as much with sickness as with injuries.
Fair assessment. The concerning part is how bad injuries have picked apart top 1500m talent of late taking them out a year at a time (at least):
Tim Cheruiyot: Sustains injury in late-September 2020. Still to this day is struggling with treatment of it. One of the most consistent and healthy athletes from 2017-then. Now can run 3.29.0, but is a flare-up away from being a non-factor.
Jake Wightman: Sustains injury in early 2023, and misses entire season. Hopefully, will be back to form this year.
Yared Nuguse: Sustains injury at Tokyo 2021 (August), return back to form starts a full calendar year later in August 2022 after battling injuries/setbacks
Jake Heyward: Sustains injury late in 2022, has not raced since
Olli Hoare: Sustains injury in June 2023, has faced multiple setbacks, hopefully able to race at full-strength in Spring
Neil Gourley: Sustains injury in July/August 2023, has faced some setbacks, hopefully able to race at full-strength in Spring
I'm sure this is somewhat of a biased sample, but the commonality amongst most of them is these were thought to be 2-3 months injuries but instead setbacks followed at that stage and the athlete is looking at 8+ months before full training if not more. Of course, the close evidence of Henrik and Filip makes this extra-concerning.
Filip got vaccine injured
During the season, Filip has struggled with a body that did not respond properly. He has taken lots of blood samples, which have not shown anything, and just coping with everyday life has been a struggle for Filip. On Monday, he received the answer to the problem. He had experienced a side effect of the first dose of covid-19 vaccine. Even just playing with the little daughter has been difficult.
I injured my achilles just before I began my college running career. If I ramped up training too quickly it could flare up, or if I went at a hard pace on gravel or ran on snow it would flare up. Fortunately it would calm back down if I took a little time off the intense stuff (I don't remember anymore if I had to take off completely). Anyway, it was mostly fine. So, I guess it depends on the severity of J.I.'s injury as to whether it will matter in the long run. Regardless, I can't fault him for going for it. Look at what he's accomplished. I do hope their family reconciles.
Wait but I thought Jakob's training was the safe route. He said on Coffee Club that everybody else is gambling. You're telling me that two double workouts a week, plus a third day of workout (maybe another double workout day) and 110-120 miles per week is a risky way to train?
Is it really that bad to have to cancel one WC due to injury for every third WC you medal in?
Wait but I thought Jakob's training was the safe route. He said on Coffee Club that everybody else is gambling. You're telling me that two double workouts a week, plus a third day of workout (maybe another double workout day) and 110-120 miles per week is a risky way to train?
His exact words on that podcast were "less risk". Not safe. There's no completely safe way to run 120 miles a week and try to be the best runner in the world. But his training definitely minimises risk as much as possible.
The injury is not that serious. He is avoiding spikes and hard track sessions, therefore no indoor WC. And no altitude camp because it slows down the healing process in the achilles tendon (caused by hypoxia). By the way, high altitude training has negative, no or minimal physiological improvement on performance in low altitude. He will be in (almost) peak shape at the olympics.
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The injury is not that serious. He is avoiding spikes and hard track sessions, therefore no indoor WC. And no altitude camp because it slows down the healing process in the achilles tendon (caused by hypoxia). By the way, high altitude training has negative, no or minimal physiological improvement on performance in low altitude. He will be in (almost) peak shape at the olympics.
"By the way, high altitude training has negative, no or minimal physiological improvement on performance in low altitude. He will be in (almost) peak shape at the olympics." Why then all the professional runners (including Ingebrigtsen Brothers) goes for altitude Camp training? Why then Kenyan, Ugandan and Ethiopian runners who train at 2500-4000m above the Sea level are dominant in distance running? Sorry but what you said goes against the scientific community common guidelines.
The injury is not that serious. He is avoiding spikes and hard track sessions, therefore no indoor WC. And no altitude camp because it slows down the healing process in the achilles tendon (caused by hypoxia). By the way, high altitude training has negative, no or minimal physiological improvement on performance in low altitude. He will be in (almost) peak shape at the olympics.
I think you have got a point here. And Jakob also uses the phrase “a little problem with my achilles” for what it is worth…
During the season, Filip has struggled with a body that did not respond properly. He has taken lots of blood samples, which have not shown anything, and just coping with everyday life has been a struggle for Filip. On Monday, he received the answer to the problem. He had experienced a side effect of the first dose of covid-19 vaccine. Even just playing with the little daughter has been difficult.
The strict physiological effect on endurance performance at sea level is minimal. Most of the effect, if an effect, is caused by placebos and other enviromental and structural factors as training structure, motivation, social factors etc etc.
but placebo is also an important effect, and athletes should use this effect as much as possible.
During the season, Filip has struggled with a body that did not respond properly. He has taken lots of blood samples, which have not shown anything, and just coping with everyday life has been a struggle for Filip. On Monday, he received the answer to the problem. He had experienced a side effect of the first dose of covid-19 vaccine. Even just playing with the little daughter has been difficult.
Are you going to post any sources or...
He will have to wait for Jimmy Dore to post a video about it.
The strict physiological effect on endurance performance at sea level is minimal. Most of the effect, if an effect, is caused by placebos and other enviromental and structural factors as training structure, motivation, social factors etc etc.
but placebo is also an important effect, and athletes should use this effect as much as possible.
try Google : high altitude training + placebo 😊
Is the increase in hemoglobin mass and red cell volume also a placebo?