It is hard to imagine that a post launch fuel leak would doom this mission. There would have literally been hundreds of test cycles and dozens of checks to make sure this didn't happen. It shouldn't have happened but smart folks will figure it out. We'll get there. I do wonder what the contract says about liability.
I'm starting to get why the conspiracy theorists believe the original moon stuff was faked. My iphone has more than 100,000 times the processing power of the computers used for the Apollo mission and yet it came out yesterday that the latest attempt to simply land a box on the moon has failed.
When I was trying to think of a possible good explanation, I initially thought, "Well back in the day the best and the brightest worked for NASA, now they are all in Silicon Valley acting like ahol** and trying to get rich designing some app that's ultimately of little use. Maybe only the guys and gals who can't get private industry jobs go to NASA."
But then I saw this most recent failure was from some private company that we paid $108 million bucks to. Can the taxpayers at least get their money back?
Science experts of letsrun, let me hear your theories as to why we suck at space much more than 55 years ago.
It's all because of Biden. He has destroyed America's technical abilities.
We aren't starting from scratch. The various companies involved now have piggybacked on 1960s and 1970s technology, albeit badly. One reason we can't seem to do anything big any more is that we have made things much more complex. The intercontinental railroad was not built to run 180 mph. Nor was it built after extensive environmental studies or through heavily populated territory already full of infrastructure. They did not think about earthquake damage. Simplify the mission for big projects and they will get done again.
Most of those Scientist's including the Main 2 (Werner Von Braun and Arthur Rudolph) were REAL NAZI's
Also in getting to the Moon there were 5 People who were paramount to get to the Moon, They Carried This Achievement Werner Von Braun, Arthur Rudolph and 3 Women who they made a Movie of (Hidden Figures) Those 5 were needed for the great Achievement, it could not have happened without out them, any of the others were replaceable.
I think its just a case of having some very smart people at a certain time who crossed the i's and dotted all the t's ensuring something stupid doesn't blow up your cargo, where the challenge was there to do it and it worked and they landed men on the moon and even returned them. Something we would have a hard time doing today even with the existing knowledge base. But don't fret no matter how many times starship blows up or door plugs blow off of airplanes, humans are ultimately able to trial and error their way to success particularly as we already know it can be done. Back then they knew absolutely nothing, were they going to sink in the quicksand of the moon even? or die of radiation poisoning. We need to be more humble about ourselves. I have no doubt if you brought the old europeon engineers and german rocket scientists in their heyday back to life today with today's tools, they would run circles around us and the moon.
But then I saw this most recent failure was from some private company that we paid $108 million bucks to. Can the taxpayers at least get their money back?
Science experts of letsrun, let me hear your theories as to why we suck at space much more than 55 years ago.
One hundred eight million dollars bucks sounds like a lot.
Most of those Scientist's including the Main 2 (Werner Von Braun and Arthur Rudolph) were REAL NAZI's
Also in getting to the Moon there were 5 People who were paramount to get to the Moon, They Carried This Achievement Werner Von Braun, Arthur Rudolph and 3 Women who they made a Movie of (Hidden Figures) Those 5 were needed for the great Achievement, it could not have happened without out them, any of the others were replaceable.
NASA lost its drive and focus decades ago. That spirit and dedication was lost along the way.
The Transcontinental Railroad was built in about 10 years starting around 1863. California has been building a railroad since 2015 and is looking at finishing the originally planned project in 30 years to never. Even the smallest segment isn't projected to open until around 2030 or later. The Great Projects that were completed in the past: Hoover Dam, Empire State Building, Erie Canal, Interstate Highways, the automobile industry, electric grid, etc. The United States can't even build everyday consumer products anymore.
People these days place more priority on having feel-good meetings, Powerpoint presentations, and endless human relations navel gazing. Not to mention social media cryfests.
Always seemed odd to me that marathoners in the Shorter/Rodgers era would be able to hang with, or beat, American male marathoners of today.
The same thing is seen today in sports where every play is celebrated by posturing, dancing, look at me stuff. Even if the team is getting blown out and has a crappy record.
"It's all about me", entitlement, putting the wrong people in the wrong jobs to satisfy quotas, bad leaders, ..the list goes on and on.
Whatever it was that made America a powerhouse of civilization is finished, and it's not coming back.
We need a president to say "We will make it to the moon by the end of this decade, not because it is easy, but because it is hard", but about climate change.
The United States could disappear and if the rest of the world keeps up their carbon emissions it wouldn't even matter. So someone needs to figure out how to get the greenhouse gases out of the air faster, rather than cutting back a small amount of emissions. Over 90% of oil is NOT used by people driving around getting to where they're going.
I suggest that all of you read that thread in its entirety. The first thing you need to realize is that the government will lie & perpetrate a hoax on its own citizens.
The Earth is flat & stationary & we are the center of God's creation.
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You know there's a rover on Mars right now, right? That rover is actually launching a small helicopter repeatedly; it's the first time a vehicle has launched and flown on the surface of another planet.
Also, that the James Webb telescope is currently operating a million miles away from earth and is currently transmitting enormous high definition images back to us?
Also, that there are currently seven people aboard the International Space Station, which was literally assembled in space and has now been orbiting continuously for 25 years?
I know none of those things are as impressive as your iphone, but I think the space program is actually doing some pretty amazing things.
Prior to my brother's retirement he wrote code which was used on Naval fighter planes. One day he shared a scary incident at dinner. It seems a much younger coder had submitted code for a particular process. When the code was evaluated it was found lacking. During the evaluation process the younger coder defended it by saying it works over 95% of the time. Several of the older coders felt like they were beating their head against a wall trying to explain the flawed logic in accepting 95%.
Even as a troll post, this is silly. The article specifically notes they had a propellant leak, which has led to the problem that prevents them from landing. They have the technology to get there, but the accident stopped them. What it your issue here, rojo?
beating Nazis - nope - that was the Soviet Union. US came in at the end and scooped up the glory.
bastion of freedom - where were you during covid?
interstate system, transcontinental railroad - huh? Do you not know what China has accomplished?
Covid mRNA - what? 17 million killed from the vax and counting.
Climate change - wow. You are young.
And before you jump to conclusions and brand me a Trumptard, I'm not American and have never voted in a US election (since citizenship apparently doesn't matter in the US, it seems important to add this).
Patriotism is programming. For most, one's nationality is nothing to be proud of since all they did to 'achieve' this was be born.
Moon landing - I'm an aerospace engineer you're wild if you think we didn't land on the moon. Why wouldn't the Soviet Union have called us out on it? They could've disproven it with a telescope from the 1600s.
Beating Nazis - The Soviet Union would have lost without the US, and the US probably would've lost without the Soviet Union.
Bastion of freedom - I was talking about things in the past. We're certainly freer than Russia or China, but we're no longer the shining beacon of freedom that we once were. Also, covid lockdowns happened because there was a pandemic, and the restrictions went away with time. Every conservative prediction (mandatory vaccines, vaccine passports, never ending lockdowns, etc) was wrong.
Interstate/Transcontinental railroad - These things were major engineering achievements when they were done. They no longer are. That's my whole point. We used to do stuff like that, and we don't anymore.
Vaccines - There have been BILLIONS of doses given out in the past 3 years. If there were major issues, we'd know by now, and there aren't.
Patriotism absolutely is programming. I recently learned about the nationalism movement in the late 1700s/early 1800s, and it was crazy learning how a few elites essentially brainwashed people into believing they were part of a nation. I also watched a Yale course on the American Revolution on Youtube, and it made me far more patriotic. I used to feel like you, where I wasn't really proud of my country, but as I learn more about our history, I do feel a lot of pride. Now I love the constitution and my country, and arguably that's programming, but also, I think you need it to have some kind of national unity. I don't think it's coincidence that we're so divided today, and so many people don't love America.
I won't brand you a trumptard, I'll just brand you a regard, and move on happily knowing you can't vote in my elections.
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I'm starting to get why the conspiracy theorists believe the original moon stuff was faked. My iphone has more than 100,000 times the processing power of the computers used for the Apollo mission and yet it came out yesterday that the latest attempt to simply land a box on the moon has failed.
When I was trying to think of a possible good explanation, I initially thought, "Well back in the day the best and the brightest worked for NASA, now they are all in Silicon Valley acting like ahol** and trying to get rich designing some app that's ultimately of little use. Maybe only the guys and gals who can't get private industry jobs go to NASA."
But then I saw this most recent failure was from some private company that we paid $108 million bucks to. Can the taxpayers at least get their money back?
Science experts of letsrun, let me hear your theories as to why we suck at space much more than 55 years ago.
I agree with the curiosity of this post. I bought a documentary-type book called Man On The Moon - Fact or Fiction? By Trevor Weaver. It's an impartial collection of interviews, articles about the moon landing. Both believer arguments and skeptic arguments are included.
As they are describing how the rocket carrying the lunar module was 5 different parts - that all needed to dispatch, disconnect, orbit the moon and then re-lift off of the moon and time it in such a way that the mothership had gone around the moon and would catch them right at the perfect moment.............I became quite skeptical.
Literally everything had to go right for it to have happened. We know for a fact that the rocket took off. And we know that a few days later, 3 astronauts landed in the ocean. In the middle however, there is a theory that they never went to space, they simply got in airplane and got inside the landing pod, they were rolled out of an airplane and parachuted down to the ocean.